MLB Offseason 2014-15: Wait, pitchers and catchers report WHEN?
- Thread starter Timby
- Start date
- Status
A 113 OPS+ is significantly better than league-average, so, yes, it is saying much.
Cervelli literally got popped in the same Biogenesis investigation as Rodriguez. Try again.
If only there were something differentiating the two...
Try again? Whose saying I supported Cervelli? ... or anyone involved in that racket?
Don't know why you love A-ROID, but do as you must.
Probably loved Bonds, Papi, Clemons, Manny.... all those cheaters.
Well you might as well throw Pettitte on that list as well...
Bonds is the greatest player ever to hit a baseball and Clemens is one of the greatest ever to throw one. Beyond that, use of PEDs wasn't actually against the rules until 2004.
Beyond that, steroids are not magic dinger juice or magic fastball juice, and everyone knows that.
And farther beyond that, the game has never been clean, certainly not since the 1950s -- and as I've said, I don't see anyone calling for the recall of Mays and Maris (both known users of amphetamines) from the Hall of Fame.
So get off your "A-ROID lolllllllllllll" high horse.
Considering the fact that some NFL team's medical staffs are being looked at for funny business with substances, isn't it time just to let everybody take what they want?
Teams have been shooting up and otherwise medicating players for decades to keep them on the field, but those who do it on their own risk punishment.
Or as Mr. Spock so succinctly stated, "Mankind has glorified organized violence for 40 centuries, yet you imprison those who employ it privately."
Teams have been shooting up and otherwise medicating players for decades to keep them on the field, but those who do it on their own risk punishment.
Or as Mr. Spock so succinctly stated, "Mankind has glorified organized violence for 40 centuries, yet you imprison those who employ it privately."
The list is long...
I don't think I'd go that far. I do think that the only issue should be a player safety issue. Beyond that, the substance should be seen as legitimate. However, you have to accept that, once legalized, it's legitimate for teams to essentially force players to use the substance. No player suggests that a team can't require them to lift weights or run or do any other activity to improve their conditioning. Any substance that is safe would be fair game too. But if it's not safe. If it's a "use at your own risk" type situation, then that's something that should be banned because it creates an unfair playing field.
I agree that everything legally possible should be done to create a level playing field, particularly given the known health risks that come from using substances. MLB's testing program is a joke.
That being said, I think the larger issue is the stigmatization that we as a society and the BBWAA in particular ascribes to users of those substances. We make those players out to be worse than Hitler (A-Roid? Seriously? Are people fucking twelve years old?), and by making a bigger deal out of these cases than they actually are, we're sending a message to kids -- the audience that is actually most likely to try these drugs -- that "well, shooting some stuff into your butt is going to make you a superstar, but you just need to not get caught." Fuck that -- steroids are not magic dinger juice or magic fastball juice, and the larger deal we make of them, the more attention they get from highly impressionable children.
Enhance the Joint Drug Agreement, follow its guidelines (as opposed to the arbitrary Rodriguez suspension), and if someone gets popped, just suspend them, don't turn them into a fucking pariah, because that behavior only contributes to the problem.
Interesting and confirms my fears with this kid Didi.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...k-jeters-replacement-wont-last-long/20013083/
I'll be rooting for him, but....
http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...k-jeters-replacement-wont-last-long/20013083/
I'll be rooting for him, but....
The Cubs have made the splash we all expected them to do in free agency, signing an ace left-hander ... Jason Hammel, who, as you may recall, went to Oakland in the Samardzija trade that sent Addison Russell to the Cubs.
Okay.
Edit: In other news, the Veterans Committee continued its long-standing tradition of being completely worthless by once again refusing to vote anyone into the Hall of Fame. The totals released today:
Dick Allen 11
Tony Oliva 11
Jim Kaat 10
Maury Wills 9
Minnie Minoso 8
Ken Boyer 3 or fewer
Gil Hodges 3 or fewer
Bob Howsam 3 or fewer
Billy Pierce 3 or fewer
Luis Tiant 3 or fewer
Dick Allen misses by one vote. Get fucked forever, Bill James. The continuing absence of deserving black Hall of Famers like Minoso, Allen and O'Neil perpetuates baseball's original sin: Institutional racism.
Okay.
Edit: In other news, the Veterans Committee continued its long-standing tradition of being completely worthless by once again refusing to vote anyone into the Hall of Fame. The totals released today:
Dick Allen 11
Tony Oliva 11
Jim Kaat 10
Maury Wills 9
Minnie Minoso 8
Ken Boyer 3 or fewer
Gil Hodges 3 or fewer
Bob Howsam 3 or fewer
Billy Pierce 3 or fewer
Luis Tiant 3 or fewer
Dick Allen misses by one vote. Get fucked forever, Bill James. The continuing absence of deserving black Hall of Famers like Minoso, Allen and O'Neil perpetuates baseball's original sin: Institutional racism.
Timby, you think Dick Allen has HOF numbers? (.292 .378 .534 .912 )
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p...eball-reference.com/players/a/allendi01.shtml
Did he play long enough?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p...eball-reference.com/players/a/allendi01.shtml
Did he play long enough?
Allen's career OPS+ was higher than one Henry Aaron, and anyone who makes a career length argument about Allen's candidacy (or Minoso's) needs to ask themselves why their careers were so short, because the answer comes out pretty quickly.
Dick Allen is also an important figure historically, as it was his refusal to take any more shit from the Phillies that led to his being traded to St. Louis in 1970. Going back the other way in exchange? Curt Flood, who promptly refused to report to the Phillies, in part because he saw how they had treated Dick Allen (and, of course, in part because he didn't want to be treated like property). The rest of that story is history.
But that all gets overlooked because Bill James (who is still regarded as an authority despite being a Paterno supporter, so whatever) also did an incredible hatchet job on him in Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame?, writing a lot of stuff that was disingenuous at best and outright false at worst and basically stopping just short of calling him the devil. It's very sad if the key factor keeping Allen out is people parroting unfounded "personality" issues that originated from racist or dishonest front office sources. Craig R. Wright wrote a really well-researched rebuttal to Bill James's article that quotes almost all of his former managers, teammates, and some other coaches. It's really well-done and everyone should check it out, and his sources are unanimous in how much they liked Allen during his playing days. It's a shame that a well-liked and talented player could get slandered by somebody, and then have to live with that reputation forever because people who don't know any better keep appealing to nebulous "issues" and "rumors."
Grrrrrr.....
First Shane Green, now Robertson.... I'm not happy Cashman...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-yankees
First Shane Green, now Robertson.... I'm not happy Cashman...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-yankees
I don't get why you're still crying about Shane Greene. Young pitchers are incredibly fungible and nothing in Greene's profile that suggests he has any ability to replicate what he did in July and August (and he was already falling apart in September). Again, he's a guy with two pitches and bad to terrible command -- that is not what anyone would call a huge loss, especially when he was flipped for arguably the best defensive shortstop in the majors (and defensive strength at shortstop is something the Yankees have lacked for, oh, a decade or so).
It's rough to lose Robertson, I agree, but 4 / 48 on a closer is bananas given their tendency to look great one year and be utter dogshit the next (look how quickly Papelbon fell to pieces, for example), and they get a high draft pick and save money to throw at Scherzer.
The more astounding thing about that signing is that it was the White Sox, who are nowhere near the point of one really good relief pitcher being the missing piece to put them over the top.
Last edited:
Everyone's high on Betances (sp). I am too, but would have loved to see him pitch the 7th and 8th and set up for Robertson in the 9th. But it appears that he will now be our closer? I know we signed Miller but... You can never have enough pitching, losing a REALLY cheap Greene to get a SS that "get distracted easy" and never even hit 300 in the miners doesn't seem to make any sense when we already had a gold glove SS that can't hit.
We just lost a home grown outstanding reliever in his prime.
I don't know that I like the way Cashman is going here...
From someone that constantly gripes at how "old" the Yankees are... not sure why you would support letting Greene go, weather he is replaceable or not.
Young relievers with mediocre history in the minors, terrible command and two pitches are a dime a dozen.
World-class defensive shortstops are not.
- Status
