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MLB Offseason 2014-15: Wait, pitchers and catchers report WHEN?

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Look, I'm actually fine with a lifetime ban for it. But maybe, after 100 years, they could decide to judge the players on their merits when it comes to whether they were among the very best at the sport and consider letting them in.
 
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I think the rule on gambling is too punitive.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement.

I wholeheartedly agree with your disagreement.

Gambling is the most dangerous activity that a player or manager can be involved in - short of contract murder. When a player manager gambles on the outcome of games, particularly ones they are involved in, it has the potential of destroying the legitimacy of the entire sport and relegating it to the world of "professional" wrestling. It is unacceptable behavior, and prohibitions against it are easy to understand and widely known, so a player who gambles is doing something they know to be completely wrong and cannot plead ignorance or extenuating circumstances. Well - unless they are Michael Jordan.
 

If it is true, the lady in the picture has a better swing than A-Rod, then maybe the New York Yankees should sign her up considering A-Rod has a .908 OPS, including two homers in 26 spring at-bats.

Since you're so hung up on spring training numbers being meaningful...

I'm not. But you're no different than scout.
 
You mean, knowing something about baseball instead of just spouting garbage that's been proven to be worthless? Concur.

Whenever you get challenged, or even asked to discuss, you seem to want to take shots at me instead. Disappointing.

BTW, Didi is up to 3rd best hitter on the Yankees now! only .002 behind Arod, with Headley still the only one hitting over .300. Better cut him quick, would be embarrassing to do so if he ends up being your best hitter this spring...
 

If it is true, the lady in the picture has a better swing than A-Rod, then maybe the New York Yankees should sign her up considering A-Rod has a .908 OPS, including two homers in 26 spring at-bats.

Since you're so hung up on spring training numbers being meaningful...

I'm not.

Says the guy who was pissing and moaning about Gregorius' .175 average a week ago? Your exact words:

But someone trying to prove he can hit batting .175 against spring training pitching? That's revealing...

Physician, heal thyself. :lol:
 
I hate my computer... a response to scouts' rants all typed up, then ... poof....

(headbang)...

To summarize .... apple and oranges, 180 plus games as a pro isn't a "small sample" and his average in ST is now down to .158.

(Bolding mine) And this is why everyone has so much trouble taking you at all seriously. You posted a bunch of stuff that shows zero understanding about baseball. You got corrected, with numbers and examples, by several people. You childishly characterize the responses as rants, and go back to posting the same nonsense, as if no one even responded to you. How old are you, again?

I've forgotten more about baseball than you have the mental capacity to learn.

You are ranting again...

You are the one that, as we'll see below, compare his numbers with the returners..., not me.

And if you don't want to see anything except through pinstripe-tinted glasses, perhaps you'd be happier at NYYFans.com? Although even there they seem more realistic about their team than you, and at least understand a little about the numbers behind how baseball works. It's not as highbrow as some other sites, but it's something.

This doesn't even dignify a response.

And just to have fun addressing your "point" again, Didi got a couple hits. To prove how dumb talking about spring training numbers is, he's now got 6 hits, so is batting .272. In 22 at bats. Which means he's moved up, and is now your THIRD BEST hitter in ST. Only behind Headley (.375) and ARod (.300). ARod has the same 6 hits, but 2 less ABs. So again, you have no idea what you're talking about. So now Didi is one of your hottest hitters, plus plays actual defense. Proving himself yet? And did those 3 hits really tell you anything?

No, but neither did the first 3, which is why it's dumb to over-react to small sample sizes. Ortiz hit almost .700 in the World Series, but no one expects that to be sustainable. Same as how people rarely get fired as washed up after having a bad week in baseball. It's a long season, and takes a lot of time for the numbers to stabilize and reflect reality. Anyone can have a hot or cold week and skew the stats. And spring training is more about getting ready than trying to put up numbers, so even the samples you get aren't usually good.

What was my point again Eisenstein?

My "point" has always been I don't think this was a good sign by Cashman. We already had a low average hitting above average glove middle infielder on the roster. I don't think it's a good move to add another. .... then they go and resign Drew to compound the matter. The Yankees have had issues getting runs in. This does not help.

It's not like I going to root against the kid. Regardless of whether or not he's got "hot" recently, he's just not impressive at the plate.... yet? I guess?

I'd be happier with an "Ozzie" type SS batting 9th, if he wasn't preceded by probably a worse hitting playing second batting 8th.

From what I've seen, he's impressive in the field for sure.

For fun, the rest of your murderer's row this spring:

Ellsbury (.222)
McCann (.217)
Teixeira (.192)
Drew (.167)
Beltran (.158)
Gardner (.138)

So, back to telling us he sucks, and everyone else is doing just fine. Of course, several of the guys on that last list are doing that while ALSO having stuff to prove, so...?

Didn't think ST numbers were the end all be all you guys love to make it out to be.... you sure love to quote stuff that doesn't matter as you try to make a bad points about nothing.

I said he sucks?

I would think that Didi would have come into Spring Training with the attitude he had something to prove at the plate. From what I can tell about the kid, he's a hard worker. Maybe all the work he's put in over the winter could get him going on the right foot. Much different attitude than my murders row comes into ST with. They don't have anything to prove.

But I guess he comes into spring training like all the others. ... la de da...


If it is true, the lady in the picture has a better swing than A-Rod, then maybe the New York Yankees should sign her up considering A-Rod has a .908 OPS, including two homers in 26 spring at-bats.

Since you're so hung up on spring training numbers being meaningful...

Woot, woot.... Gooooooooo A-Rod!!

You mean, knowing something about baseball instead of just spouting garbage that's been proven to be worthless? Concur.

Whenever you get challenged, or even asked to discuss, you seem to want to take shots at me instead. Disappointing.

Easy target.

BTW, Didi is up to 3rd best hitter on the Yankees now! only .002 behind Arod, with Headley still the only one hitting over .300. Better cut him quick, would be embarrassing to do so if he ends up being your best hitter this spring...

Hey, put him in the hall!!

I never limited my "sample size" to just spring training either.

He does have a season under his belt... and was sent down to the minors to work on his hitting... did they need a bigger sample size?

Since you're so hung up on spring training numbers being meaningful...

I'm not.

Says the guy who was pissing and moaning about Gregorius' .175 average a week ago? Your exact words:

But someone trying to prove he can hit batting .175 against spring training pitching? That's revealing...

Physician, heal thyself. :lol:

Good health, thanks. .... and I didn't write that article. So I guess it's not just me that's looking at these two and noting their hitting.

Listen guys, I don't think it was a good sign knowing the other line-ups in the east. But Timby seems to think it was a great deal. Time will tell.

I know one thing, I'll be lovin watching him patrol the SS position, and I'll have my fingers crossed when he gets his chances at the plate.

Still lookin for a #5 starter...
 
Speaking of rants... :guffaw:

Maybe stop TELLING us how smart you are, and start SHOWING us? You know, by not ranting about stuff like spring training averages, how pitchers' wins are a meaningful statistic, pinstripes add 20 wins to a team's win expectation, that kind of stuff? Rest of us are trying to have those kinds of conversations, feel free to jump in. Or keep trolling by trying to characterize anyone that will talk to you as a ranting lunatic. Your call, but one's a lot more productive than the other...
 
It's a dumb rule, they should work on that in the next negotiation to avoid having a couple prospects a year get into this situation. He's obviously their 3B this year, 2 weeks to buy a year messes up the system. if they changed the numbers so that he had to be down until July or whatever, he'd be on the team in April.
 
It's a dumb rule, they should work on that in the next negotiation to avoid having a couple prospects a year get into this situation. He's obviously their 3B this year, 2 weeks to buy a year messes up the system. if they changed the numbers so that he had to be down until July or whatever, he'd be on the team in April.

Yeah, it's messed up, and the Cubs are coming up with increasingly ridiculous and / or hilarious reasons to hold him down because it's so nebulous. If it were absolutely allowable to game a player's service time like this, Epstein or Hoyer could just come out and say "yeah, we're holding him down for 9 games to get an extra year, as is our collectively bargained option."

Except they can't come out and say that, because it isn't absolutely allowable to send a player down merely to manipulate his future rights. It hasn't been collectively bargained or otherwise settled through the labor process, so it might be or it might not be. Given the league's long history of losing labor grievances and lawsuits, especially when owners operate in bad faith, I would guess that if a team ever took this tack, they'd lose. And when the first player grieves it and wins, guess what the remedy is? That player gets the service time that he was manipulated out of credited back.

That's why the Cubs are desperately trying to come up with baseball reasons to send him down: It's a strong likelihood, maybe even a near-certainty, that you actually can't sent a player down only to claw a year back. I think there's a lot of risk that a neutral arbiter is going to see right through even the currently perpetuated sham, because this is the exact right set of facts in terms of agent, player and history for the team to get walloped in a grievance (you could flip a coin as to whether the Cubs' handling of Bryant or the Mets' handling of Syndergaard is more egregious; they're about equal). But if they actually want to go through with the sham, they do have to pretend this is about Kris Bryant's major league readiness in 2015, as ridiculous though it may be.
 
Pretty much every team does this, so no one deserves to win. Every team with a prospect, at least. And that his agent is Scott Boras, so you KNOW he's not going to agree to an extension before testing free agency just makes it worse. If he's good, he's going to the open market, so better make sure you get as much out of him as you can. If 2 weeks in the minors gets you an extra year? Duh, you do it.

They should just push that number way back to make it HAVE to be for real reasons and not a gimmick. If they couldn't be on a team until July if they wanted the extra year, more teams would just bring them up in April and get THAT year out of him instead. Right now, missing like 10 games does the trick, so no-brainer
 
Christian Vasquez is seeing James Andrews on Wednesday for a second opinion on his elbow.

Wednesday is the soonest Andrews could fit him in. We're in peak Tommy John season.
 
Seriously bummed about Christian Vazquez, I was really looking forward to seeing him play a full season. Hopefully the news won't be that bad, but I'm not optimistic. :(
 
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