Make that 4 shutouts by this Giants pitching staff. Incredible.
MLB Discussion - 2012 Season
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Well, the streak ended on the first pitch but it was fun while it lasted.
I'm now prepared to say RA Dickey should be the starting pitcher for the National League for the All-Star Game. Another brilliant performance last night, 3 Hits over 8 innings with 10 strike out, 1 walk and no runs. He's the first pitcher to 12 wins, probably only one more start before the ASG. So unless something disasterous happens, he should be the starting pitcher.
I loves me some Dickey!
Wait that sounds wrong.
A power kncukleballer, where the fuck did that come from? 1 hit batsmen and 1 wild pitch all year, that's wild. First in wins, second in K's, third in ERA, as a 37 year old converted knuckler off the scrap heap. I'm biased as a Mets fan, I'll put that right out there, but he deserves it.
Sadly it's still Santana and Dickey and pray for rain. Gee, Niese, and Young inspire nothing but indigestion with me. IF they could pick up an arm before the deadline, I think they could contend for a wild card.
Wait that sounds wrong.
A power kncukleballer, where the fuck did that come from? 1 hit batsmen and 1 wild pitch all year, that's wild. First in wins, second in K's, third in ERA, as a 37 year old converted knuckler off the scrap heap. I'm biased as a Mets fan, I'll put that right out there, but he deserves it.
Sadly it's still Santana and Dickey and pray for rain. Gee, Niese, and Young inspire nothing but indigestion with me. IF they could pick up an arm before the deadline, I think they could contend for a wild card.
Hell, I hate the Mets, but R.A. deserves the start. Anything to help the NL win.
Wins are an absolutely worthless statistic for a pitcher, but Dickey deserves some consideration for the start, since his peripherals have been pretty great thus far. Brandon Beachy and Madison Bumgarner have to be in the mix, though, too.
RA Dickey probably won't be the deciding pitcher, who ever is pitching later in the game most likely will.
I totally agree with you about wins as a measure for a pitcher, so I always use WHIP. As of last night here are the top 10 pitchers based on WHIP.
RK Player Team W L ERA G GS SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG WHIP▲
1 Dickey, R NYM 12 1 2.15 16 16 0 0 113.0 75 29 27 9 25 116 .190 0.88
2 Cain, M SF 9 3 2.53 16 16 0 0 113.2 85 36 32 10 23 114 .207 0.95
3 Beachy, B ATL 5 5 2.00 13 13 0 0 81.0 49 24 18 6 29 68 .171 0.96
4 McDonald, J PIT 7 3 2.44 15 15 0 0 96.0 68 28 26 6 26 86 .200 0.98
5 Miley, W ARI 9 3 2.19 15 12 0 0 90.1 73 25 22 4 18 64 .216 1.01
6 Dempster, R CHC 3 3 2.11 12 12 0 0 81.0 61 21 19 6 22 66 .204 1.02
7 Kershaw, C LAD 5 4 2.74 16 16 0 0 108.1 86 36 33 11 27 103 .221 1.04
8 Strasburg, S WSH 9 2 2.60 15 15 0 0 90.0 71 29 26 6 23 118 .217 1.04
9 Bumgarner, M SF 10 4 2.85 16 16 0 0 110.2 95 40 35 10 22 92 .229 1.06
10 Hamels, C PHI 10 3 3.03 15 15 0 0 104.0 87 38 35 11 25 106 .228 1.08
RK Player Team W L ERA G GS SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG WHIP▲
1 Dickey, R NYM 12 1 2.15 16 16 0 0 113.0 75 29 27 9 25 116 .190 0.88
2 Cain, M SF 9 3 2.53 16 16 0 0 113.2 85 36 32 10 23 114 .207 0.95
3 Beachy, B ATL 5 5 2.00 13 13 0 0 81.0 49 24 18 6 29 68 .171 0.96
4 McDonald, J PIT 7 3 2.44 15 15 0 0 96.0 68 28 26 6 26 86 .200 0.98
5 Miley, W ARI 9 3 2.19 15 12 0 0 90.1 73 25 22 4 18 64 .216 1.01
6 Dempster, R CHC 3 3 2.11 12 12 0 0 81.0 61 21 19 6 22 66 .204 1.02
7 Kershaw, C LAD 5 4 2.74 16 16 0 0 108.1 86 36 33 11 27 103 .221 1.04
8 Strasburg, S WSH 9 2 2.60 15 15 0 0 90.0 71 29 26 6 23 118 .217 1.04
9 Bumgarner, M SF 10 4 2.85 16 16 0 0 110.2 95 40 35 10 22 92 .229 1.06
10 Hamels, C PHI 10 3 3.03 15 15 0 0 104.0 87 38 35 11 25 106 .228 1.08
WHIP is a nice top-line statistic, but it isn't the be-all and end-all -- at the end of the day, any hit that isn't a home run still has some measure of involvement from the defense. Dickey is actually beaten, by a semi-significant amount, in dERA by Strasburg, Greinke and Gio Gonzalez (which is odd, as knuckleballers traditionally have lower dERA than traditional pitchers), and he's got an unsustainable BABIP (same problem with Beachy).
I'm not saying that Dickey isn't having a lights-out season -- on the contrary, he absolutely is. I'm just pointing out that he isn't an incontrovertible choice to start in the ASG. Shit, if Ryan Dempster were on a team that wasn't an absolute dumpster fire this season, he'd be in the conversation, too.
Beachy had Tommy John surgery. Highly unlikely he's going to be on the all-star team.
Yeah, I was going by straight numbers. I don't follow the Braves, so I only saw the news about Beachy like a week and a half ago on Twitter and quickly forgot about it.
After Matt Cain's perfect game, I would have said Cain be the All Star Starter, but I kind of hope it's Dickey. He deserves it, and it's not just with the wins. He's making everyone (Other than the Yankees) look really foolish at the plate. Heck, considering Cain has been struggling recently, I wouldn't mind if I didn't go and have Bumgarner go instead.
I'd pick
AL:
Chris Sale
Jered Weaver
C.J. Wilson
Justin Verlander
David Price
Jim Johnson
Fernando Rodhey
Chris Perez
NL:
R.A. Dickey
Ryan Dempster
Gio Gonzalez
Madison Bumgarner
AJ Burnett
Tyler Clippard
Craig Kimbrel
Joel Hanrahan
AL:
Chris Sale
Jered Weaver
C.J. Wilson
Justin Verlander
David Price
Jim Johnson
Fernando Rodhey
Chris Perez
NL:
R.A. Dickey
Ryan Dempster
Gio Gonzalez
Madison Bumgarner
AJ Burnett
Tyler Clippard
Craig Kimbrel
Joel Hanrahan
A lot of good pitchers got shafted for popular players.
Despite being a Giants fan, I'm questioning Sandoval starting over David Wright. I can understand him being a reserve, but I don't think he has the production (Not to mention he was injured for a month) that Wright does. Also, what the hell is Josh Reddick not doing in the ASG. That's really surprising to me.
Yankees acquire...Chad Qualls?
Is there something about Dodger Stadium that causes teams to make errors? Because this last Mets/Dodgers series had a bucketful. 
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