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Mistakes You Thought Were Made In OS, But Weren't

The only way the "You're well?" makes any sense to me is Kirk left him early the previous evening at a drinking establishment, assuming they still have those in the 23rd century.

It's more polite than, "you drank enough Scotch for the Enterprise to float in and that was before I left!" YMMV
 
I don’t know why Scotty wanted to stay Earthside and supervise trainees, but maybe that worked for him and he got to keep working with his friends, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.
Maybe because he knew that his nephew Peter would be attending the Academy very soon and Scotty wanted to keep an eye on the young lad?
But that doesn't explain the "Mr. Scott, you old space dog" exchange, where it seems clear that Kirk is not regularly working with Scotty. So perhaps Scotty was brought in too along with Sulu.
Yeah, I think it's pretty evident that Kirk and Scotty aren't crossing paths too much, even though they both have largely Earthbound assignments.
As for Kirk's position, I don't think he's the commandant of the Academy either, mostly because he's fully read in on and has access to the Genesis Project, which Spock for example does not.
Another good point! I hadn't thought of that, but you're absolutely right.

Kirk still envies Spock's current assignment, though. You can hear it in his voice when he asks Spock, "Well are you off to now?" Kirk envies the adventurous life he imagines that Spock is living now, and he hates that all he has to do is go home to an empty apartment.
I think Kirk's still Chief of Starfleet Operations during TWOK.
Yeah, I think so. Either that position or something quite like it. Sometime between TMP and TWOK, the Starfleet brass probably said to Kirk, "All right, you've had your fun gallivanting around on your old ship, but it's time for you to get back to work now." I have a feeling that Kirk didn't have much choice about going back to the Admiralty, and by the time TWOK began, he was resigned to his fate.
The only way the "You're well?" makes any sense to me is Kirk left him early the previous evening at a drinking establishment, assuming they still have those in the 23rd century.

It's more polite than, "you drank enough Scotch for the Enterprise to float in and that was before I left!" YMMV
I read in an old Best of Trek collection that the "I had a wee bout, Admiral... Doctor McCoy pulled me through," line was some sort of in-joke about a heart attack that James Doohan had had between TMP and TWOK. The way that exchange plays in the film, though, it seems that Scotty either had a drinking misadventure or caught some form of alien VD! :lol:

Whatever it was, Scotty and McCoy obviously don't want to go into it in front of the cadets. "Shore leave," eitehr implies that something untoward happened to Scotty on his last shore leave, or else McCoy is telling Kirk he'll tell him the full story later.
 
On the "Kirk to Sickbay" bit from a few pages back...maybe the computer plays that part on a delay after it finds out who the recipient is, then the conversation proceeds from there. Sure, we never experience the delay, but that's TV for you. You'll also catch characters in the same era dialing less than seven numbers on a rotary dial phone, because accurate dialing would be boring to watch.
 
How does the UT deal with Alien languages when there are several aliens in the same room, each with his own specific language? Imagine the cacophony of words being said simultaneously in five or six languages!!!
 
I have a friend that referred to me as "you old dog" often and Is saw him 3 or 4 times a week.

In the "Kobyashi Maru" novel, all the cadets took the exact same test. In Diane Duane's "Dreadnought" (I think it was) novel, the antagonist were Romulan instead of Klingon. All the other details were the same.

Not all the details.

In Chekovs KM test, his ship was surrounded and crippled by three Klingon ships so he self destructed his own ship and took the Klingons with him.

In Sulu's, he refused to take his ship into the Neutral Zone deciding it was better to sacrifice a civilian ship than risk an interstellar war. His crew nearly mutinied over that decision.

Scotty absent mindedly took his ship into the Neutral Zone. When attacked by groups of three, five, nine, and fifteen Klingon vessels, Scotty expertly destroyed the first three groups of Klingon vessels (seventeen ships in all) before succumbing to the last group of 15.
 
On the "Kirk to Sickbay" bit from a few pages back...maybe the computer plays that part on a delay after it finds out who the recipient is, then the conversation proceeds from there. Sure, we never experience the delay, but that's TV for you. You'll also catch characters in the same era dialing less than seven numbers on a rotary dial phone, because accurate dialing would be boring to watch.
Actually, when I was a kid in the early 70s we only had to dial five digits to make a local (same exchange) call, so instead of dialing 945-1111 you'd just dial the last digit of the exchange and then the number, as in 5-1111.
 
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Actually, when I was a kid in the early 70s we only had to dial five digits to make a local (same exchange) call, so instead of dialing 945-1111 you'd just dial the last digit of the exchange and then the number, as in 5-1111.

You must have lived in a smaller town. We had to dial the 7 digits for a local call.
 
You must have lived in a smaller town. We had to dial the 7 digits for a local call.
In the early 1970s, we could dial 5 digits, as well, or 7. Not exactly a small town, either. 100,000+ at the time. Perhaps a legacy of the exchange system that persisted for a time, until the network was upgraded to fully accommodate the explosion of prefixes that began in the late 1970s.
 
I remember the day we switched from rotary dialing to keypad dialing... I couldn't believe how easy dialing a number had become! For the child that I was, it seemed like magic!
 
He doesn't seem to be especially familiar with the students, he at least twice refers to them as "your cadets" to Spock (emphasis mine), and outright asks Spock how he thinks they'll respond under the pressure of a real mission. All of that indicates to me that he's not really dealing with the students on a regular basis.

Why would the Commandant of Starfleet Academy do that? Spock is the instructor, obviously one out of a great many. He has "his" students, while other instructors have "theirs". Kirk is the boss; he has little business micromanaging the teaching of specific classes.

Being the boss, though, he is well entitled to intruding in said teaching.

The only cadet he seems to recognize besides Saavik is Peter Preston, who he might have met years before, the way he did with Sulu's daughter Demora.

To nitpick, Preston is a "midshipman". No single character in the movie is specified as "cadet", although the group being trained either consists of those or includes those.

By today's parlance, only Saavik and the two guys in officer tunics would be Cadets, people training for officer jobs. But of course Saavik appears to be a postgraduate already, so the word would not be fully fitting for her in today's terms. And midshipman, a near-synonym, wouldn't well befit the apparent enlisted Preston.

On the other hand, who was "performing" in the simulation? The old gang was playacting all right, but so, basically, was everybody else but Saavik. Was anybody actually interested in whether that Deckswiper's Mate 6th Rate, second from left, was pressing the correct fake buttons or not when the bridge was exploding?

Plus there's the fact that Kirk is pretty obviously bored and unfulfilled in his work once again. If he were teaching or running the Academy full time, I bet he'd find that a lot more stimulating than being a deskbound paper pusher.

I wouldn't. It's not the real deal - at best, it's a painful reminder that others now get to do the real deal.

McCoy is apparently also regularly attached to the Enterprise, as his name is stenciled on the door of sickbay

Or then the name gets changed at the push of a button, or when the most recent occupant walks in and the door queries his RFID tag and embedded orders...

McCoy having his personal trinkets in the office would be more convincing. Although whether any of the props qualify for that is unclear.

We're not really given any sort of indication as to what Uhura has been doing on a regular basis, though. Maybe she was already working at the transporter station we saw her at in STIII? Or maybe, considering the way that Kirk just automatically hands off his book to her when the inspection starts, she was a regular part of Admiral Kirk's staff? His personal attaché, maybe?

Or just the longterm colleague who used to handle such matters previously. The issue would be greatly confused by our TOS heroes already having done this gathering thing before the movie opens, for the purposes of the birthday-special Kobayashi Maru.

On the "Kirk to Sickbay" bit from a few pages back...maybe the computer plays that part on a delay after it finds out who the recipient is, then the conversation proceeds from there. Sure, we never experience the delay, but that's TV for you.

Or then "Kirk to Sickbay" is heard all over the ship. Just like "Riker to Picard" or whatever. Responding is what gets the call properly routed and turned private.

It's not as if we would hear our heroes call each other all that often. And when they do, it's on serious command business. So the ship shouldn't be constantly echoing with "Nowan to Xpendable" even if all calls were initially shipwide. And the very point of a hail is to show us two characters who won't fit in the same screen, so movie/TV magic necessarily hides the shipwide nature of the hail. If X hails Y, then we either watch X and fail to realize that A through W also heard the hail, or then we watch Y and hear the hail through his ears (and those of everybody else in that room, clearly, including Z standing next to Y) but again fail to hear them through the ears of A through W.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The Corbomite Manoeuvre has some lengthy shots of Bailey speaking shipwide, even as Kirk and McCoy continue their own conversation. At one point, Kirk presses his intercom button and joins the conversation. This is perhaps what it would sound like under "normal" intraship comms.
 
Or then the name gets changed at the push of a button, or when the most recent occupant walks in and the door queries his RFID tag and embedded orders...

McCoy having his personal trinkets in the office would be more convincing. Although whether any of the props qualify for that is unclear.
It's really spectacular how you can bend over backwards to try and interpret onscreen evidence in the exact opposite way from which it's intended. For crying out loud, McCoy's name is on the door. But you're rejecting that because you're not 100% convinced that all of the never-identified props on the desk are his? :wtf:
 
It's really spectacular how you can bend over backwards to try and interpret onscreen evidence in the exact opposite way from which it's intended. For crying out loud, McCoy's name is on the door. But you're rejecting that because you're not 100% convinced that all of the never-identified props on the desk are his? :wtf:

:lol: Do we even see the desk? I remember one long shot.
 
The name letters look stuck or painted onto the glass (transparent aluminum or whatever). If they were a part of the glass, you'd have to change the whole plate. Much more efficient to change the name, should it need to be done. Probably his spot.
 
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