Missy Poll *possible spoilers*

[Ithekro]

The alarm bells at her first appearance screamed "River Song". Not sure if they are correct, but the last thing we got out of the River that was in the Library computer was "spoilers" in relation to Clara's survival from jumping into the Doctor's time stream. Also River definately not wanting either Clara nor the Doctor to jump in there. To the point she tried to slap the Doctor even though he shouldn't be able to notice her or feel the slap. Either she thinks they'd die...or she knows what's going to happen (in someway to some event we may not have reached yet).

 

[Starkers]

I'm going with "female Master". Possibly Moffat testing the waters for a female Doctor.

I think this is most likely right, and would seem to tie in with the rumour (which in fairness didn't have much traction) that Capaldi was being hired as a very traditional Doctor for a year in order to prepare the way for a very untraditional Doctor.

 

[USS KG5]

The advance review copies apparently omit a clip where her identity is revealed - so I agree that it's probably someone we already know in a new guise. I also WANT her to be a new Master, but s/he has never been one to go for outfits like that in any incarnation. Something to do with Clara's fractured nature is the best option IMO.

I figured that TOTD had a very straightforward opportunity to resurrect the Master in there as they could easily have snuck him through, working on the principle that as the Doctor would not sacrifice Trenzalore to bring them back, maybe the Master would.

DOTD showed that most Gallifreyans were OK types, and thought Rassilon was being a dick. That doesn't mean there aren't still Time Lord dicks being dicks who might have sent him back.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

I watched the teaser clip. Missy says,

The key strategic weakness of the human race - the dead outnumber the living.

I am adding this to the pile of known facts. She has evaluated the human race, and has come up with a strategy of how to best them in conflict. Could she call forth an army of the dead to attack and overwhelm the living? The statement, to me, implies that she does have this ability.

I had to select Other, for there is no option for I don't know.

 

[Starkers]

You know there's a thing called

Spoiler: Missy!

spoiler code!

 

[Lakenheath 72]

The BBC is being coy about who Missy is. Review sites, like Den of Geek, were given preview copies that had scenes missing that answered the question, who is Missy? If the BBC doesn't consider the teaser clip as containing spoilers, then it isn't a spoiler. It's chum for the fans.

 

[The Wormhole]

DOTD showed that most Gallifreyans were OK types, and thought Rassilon was being a dick. That doesn't mean there aren't still Time Lord dicks being dicks who might have sent him back.

All Day of the Doctor showed was that the General and his Time Lord friend are okay, as evidenced by the fact the Doctors turned to the General for assistance despite the fact he's a soldier, which is apparently something terrible this year. The General is clearly on the outs with Rassilon and the Council, and for all we know, the greater majority of Time Lords are still douches. Just as they were in Classic Who.

The BBC is being coy about who Missy is. Review sites, like Den of Geek, were given preview copies that had scenes missing that answered the question, who is Missy? If the BBC doesn't consider the teaser clip as containing spoilers, then it isn't a spoiler. It's chum for the fans.

It's still Trek BBS policy that anything from an episode which hasn't aired yet is to be spoiler coded, regardless if it's in trailers, preview clips, whatever. Admittedly, anyone entering a thread with "possible spoilers" in the title should expect spoilers within thread, but policy is policy.

 

[Mr Awe]

She says something about having chosen Clara, so Clara's off my list.

That's a line which is open to interpretation. "My Clara, I chose you well." Some have suggested she's one of the Claras from Name of the Doctor who somehow was aware of what she was and set off in search of the original Clara, and that the line suggests she's satisfied that the Clara she chose is indeed the original.

Or, that's she's one of the Claras, not necessarily the original, but one shaped by events specific to her that have shaped her a certain way. If so, it's possibly the Clara that went back to save Troughton during the events of The Invasion.

Mr Awe

 

[JRoss]

I voted for other to indicate my lack of faith that the Moff is going to tell us. He likes to string us along while he figures out his ending.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ I've worried that we might not find out until Christmas. However, the fact that certain scenes have been removed from the advance review copies that reportedly say who she is, gives me hope that we won't have to wait that long!

Mr Awe

 

[Timby]

I'm firmly convinced she's the Rani, because Moffat has just the right amount of ego to think he could write the first decent Rani story.

 

[SeerSGB]

Think about this:

• "Deep Breath" - All about identity. The Doctor, like the 1/2 Face Man, is new. Regenerated so many times that he's not even sure he's the same person now.
• "Dalek"- He's not sure what sort of man he is. Gets told, cause of his hate, he's a good Dalek. He's a good Dalek, but is he a good man, is he the Doctor?
• "Robots Of Sherwood" - Robin Hood reminds him that he's as real as the Doctor. The question of the episode: can legends, stories, be real. Again, we question what does that mean? Is this the "real" Doctor or not.
• "Caretaker" - He is a Timelord, a General, he is the aristocrat. The man that starts the fire, to use Danny's term. He one moment on the TARDIS, he's everything he's rebel against.
• Flatline - The Doctor must play his role. If there are monsters, he must play the role of the man that stops them. Again, what is the Doctor? Is this the Doctor or a mere copy going through the motions?
• Mummy On The Orient Express - a ancient warrior, kept alive long past his time to fight a war that the rest of the universe has long forgot. A long forgotten, last solider, last of his kind, dying over and over. Allegory for the Doctor and his new regeneration cycle.
  
  So clearly that leaves only one answer to who is Missy...
  
  ....it's Courtney Woods.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ If they were trying to build that theme throughout the season (is he the Doctor?, is he good?), well that got pretty well lost. And, indeed, there's really no doubt that he is the Doctor and that he does good.

Although, in this context (which I'm not necessarily buying into), is it significant that the trees said to the Doctor, "We don't know who you are."?

Mr Awe

 

[doubleohfive]

Spoiler: My theory about "Missy"

Is it at all possible she's Amy Pond? The one from the future in "The Girl Who Waited" ?

We never really see what happens to her beyond Eleven, (Young) Amy, and Rory basically leaving her behind at the mercy of the Handbots, and then there's this little tidbit:

The only thing that doesn't track would be that Amy and Clara never met. However, if Missy has been collecting dead people from along the Doctor's adventures, it's entirely reasonable that she could have learned about Clara and how Clara fit into the Doctor's life (vis-à-vis "The Impossible Girl" stuff) and used that against the Doctor.

Or, it could just be that the production chose to use that same location again and that they felt it had been long enough since "The Girl Who Waited" to use it (the way Star Trek always goes to Vasquez Rocks or Bronson Canyon and uses them as different locales. Still, it's interesting to me that they didn't just use the same location but they also reused that same perspective so pointedly.)

I guess we'll find out on Saturday!

 

[SeerSGB]

^ If they were trying to build that theme throughout the season (is he the Doctor?, is he good?), well that got pretty well lost. And, indeed, there's really no doubt that he is the Doctor and that he does good.

Although, in this context (which I'm not necessarily buying into), is it significant that the trees said to the Doctor, "We don't know who you are."?

Mr Awe

I think that was what they were going for. But it got lost in "Hey, how can Clara be more of a bitch this week? Oh look here's Missy! ooooh, who is Missy...". They had a good premise, they could have made an arc out of the Doctor not beleiving that he was the Doctor, made him paranoid about who or what he really was, and having to come to terms with being given a new set regenerations and a chance to fix old wrongs. That he was the Doctor, and it was time for the Doctor to be The Doctor.

Spoiler: My theory about "Missy"

Is it at all possible she's Amy Pond? The one from the future in "The Girl Who Waited" ?

We never really see what happens to her beyond Eleven, (Young) Amy, and Rory basically leaving her behind at the mercy of the Handbots, and then there's this little tidbit:

The only thing that doesn't track would be that Amy and Clara never met. However, if Missy has been collecting dead people from along the Doctor's adventures, it's entirely reasonable that she could have learned about Clara and how Clara fit into the Doctor's life (vis-à-vis "The Impossible Girl" stuff) and used that against the Doctor.

Or, it could just be that the production chose to use that same location again and that they felt it had been long enough since "The Girl Who Waited" to use it (the way Star Trek always goes to Vasquez Rocks or Bronson Canyon and uses them as different locales. Still, it's interesting to me that they didn't just use the same location but they also reused that same perspective so pointedly.)

I guess we'll find out on Saturday!

They go that route, I'll be more pissed than if it was Clara. That storyline had a good, solid ending to it, the characters had some of the best closure. Don't piss on it.

And why do I feel the reveal won't be till Part 2. That Part 1 will cut just as we find out who/what Missy is?

 

[Mr Awe]

^ If they were trying to build that theme throughout the season (is he the Doctor?, is he good?), well that got pretty well lost. And, indeed, there's really no doubt that he is the Doctor and that he does good.

Although, in this context (which I'm not necessarily buying into), is it significant that the trees said to the Doctor, "We don't know who you are."?

Mr Awe

I think that was what they were going for. But it got lost in "Hey, how can Clara be more of a bitch this week? Oh look here's Missy! ooooh, who is Missy...". They had a good premise, they could have made an arc out of the Doctor not beleiving that he was the Doctor, made him paranoid about who or what he really was, and having to come to terms with being given a new set regenerations and a chance to fix old wrongs. That he was the Doctor, and it was time for the Doctor to be The Doctor.

Oh, yes, the whole righting wrongs angle from before the season started seems to have fizzled too. I've liked the stories overall this season, but they seem to be a loose hodge podge. Which isn't always a bad thing, and is in fact traditional for DW. However, it just seemed like they might have been aiming to develop these themes which really never took off.

005, I'm hoping that's a resuse of a set/location for convenience or possibly to intentionally throw us off. I hope it's not who you suggest!

Mr Awe

 

[tomalak301]

Ever since I heard the line "There was no Clara Oswald, there never was", I was thinking Missy was an evil echo of Clara. Or she was the very first incarnation of Clara, before the split happened (considering the Victorian outfit as well). In that case, the Master is not all that far off.

 

[SeerSGB]

We know the screener version of the episode has the reveal cut out. If I was Moffat, I would have trolled the fandom so hard with that cut. I would have had an ADR line run with Missy's name replaced with Adric or Ace. Just to watch the fans lose their shit.

 

[Sindatur]

We know the screener version of the episode has the reveal cut out. If I was Moffat, I would have trolled the fandom so hard with that cut. I would have had and ADR line run with Missy's name replaced with Adric or Ace. Just to watch the fans lose their shit.

Heh, Missy is Mel, she's finally paying the Doctor back for leaving her with Sabalom Glitz (Or Dodo, who's still pissed the Doctor actually believed Ben and Polly, when they knocked her out and stole her place on board the TARDIS )

 

[doubleohfive]

Spoiler: My theory about "Missy"

Is it at all possible she's Amy Pond? The one from the future in "The Girl Who Waited" ?

We never really see what happens to her beyond Eleven, (Young) Amy, and Rory basically leaving her behind at the mercy of the Handbots, and then there's this little tidbit:

The only thing that doesn't track would be that Amy and Clara never met. However, if Missy has been collecting dead people from along the Doctor's adventures, it's entirely reasonable that she could have learned about Clara and how Clara fit into the Doctor's life (vis-à-vis "The Impossible Girl" stuff) and used that against the Doctor.

Or, it could just be that the production chose to use that same location again and that they felt it had been long enough since "The Girl Who Waited" to use it (the way Star Trek always goes to Vasquez Rocks or Bronson Canyon and uses them as different locales. Still, it's interesting to me that they didn't just use the same location but they also reused that same perspective so pointedly.)

I guess we'll find out on Saturday!

They go that route, I'll be more pissed than if it was Clara. That storyline had a good, solid ending to it, the characters had some of the best closure. Don't piss on it.

Ugh, we'll have to agree to disagree there. I thought the final story for them was absolute garbage, overly manufactured and plainly stupid. I'd also rather not see them again because as dumb as I thought it was, I did quite like the little story they released a while later revealing some of what ulimately happened.

And why do I feel the reveal won't be till Part 2. That Part 1 will cut just as we find out who/what Missy is?

You're probably right. Though given his track record for things like this, Moffat will likely telegraph it to hell for the entirety of the hour so that by the time it finally does get revealed we'll all be groaning because we sorted it out ourslves 40 minutes earlier.