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Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation (Cruise, Renner, Pegg, Rhames)

The potential was there for all of the villains, but it makes me wonder if Cruise doesn't want any of the villain actors stealing his spotlight.

That seems unlikely to me. Whatever might be said about Cruise's personal life, I've always found him to be a dedicated professional whose work isn't driven by ego. I mean, look at the climax of M:I:III.
Ethan was clinically dead and needed his wife to defeat the bad guy and save Ethan's life. If Cruise were an egotist, would he have let someone else save the day like that?
And in Edge of Tomorrow, he wasn't afraid to let his character be unlikeable, inept, and the butt of the humor.
 
Perhaps so, but it seems like MI3 was the only film where he was matched or dominated by his villainous co-star. The guy after that was a cipher and the RN guy was undeveloped. I see underdevelopment an issue for most, if not all of the MI villains. It's just Hoffman gave such a menacing performance.

Cruise is a professional and pretty gung ho about stunts and topping himself each time out it seems to me, but I don't know about the lack of ego thing. I mean he made Mission Impossible, a team concept kind of show from what I know of it (I never saw the original and I did watch some of the 80s continuation when I was a kid, but don't remember it) more about him. I mean would have hurt him to be Jim Phelps? But maybe he had to be his own man/character as Ethan Hunt. It's like the other team members were pushed to the side, if not expendable then definitely in subordinate positions.

And while you are right about Edge of Tomorrow, Cruise's character still wound up being the hero that saved the day.
 
Perhaps so, but it seems like MI3 was the only film where he was matched or dominated by his villainous co-star. The guy after that was a cipher and the RN guy was undeveloped. I see underdevelopment an issue for most, if not all of the MI villains. It's just Hoffman gave such a menacing performance.

Sure, but that doesn't mean Cruise is the one responsible for that. Lots of movies have weak, one-dimensional villains. Look at Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man.

And I'd disagree about M:I:II. Although all that movie's characters were superficial, I'd say Dougray Scott's villain was perhaps the best-developed role in the film. Heck, he did more IMF-style stuff than Ethan did. Plus he interacted with his team more than Ethan did, he had a more developed relationship with the female lead than Ethan did, and he had a clearer motivation and personality overall than Ethan did. Although that speaks more to the film's deficiencies in writing Ethan than anything else.



I mean he made Mission Impossible, a team concept kind of show from what I know of it (I never saw the original and I did watch some of the 80s continuation when I was a kid, but don't remember it) more about him. I mean would have hurt him to be Jim Phelps?
Why assume that was his decision? It was Brian DePalma's film. Okay, Cruise was a producer, but he wasn't the sole auteur. Indeed, the M:I film series has always struck me as very director-driven. Each film has had its own distinct character that reflected its director's previous work: DePalma's was a twisty paranoid thriller, Woo's was a style-over-substance Hong Kong-esque actionfest, Abrams's was Alias: The Movie. Bird's was his first live-action film so there's not much to compare it to, but it had a lot of the same sensibilities as his animation work, the same humor and meticulousness of scene construction.

I figure the M:I movies focused on a single lead character simply because that's what most spy movies do. When movie studios adapt an old property to the big screen, their goal is usually not to be faithful to the original work; their goal is to make a movie that fits what they believe to be a proven, successful formula, and to them, the original source material is merely a novel set of names and details that they can plug into the safe, comfortable formula. I mean, it's not like there's a shortage of spy thrillers focusing on a solo lead character. Most likely, Paramount wanted a franchise that could compete with James Bond, so they turned M:I into a Bond-style series. That would've been the case regardless of who the star was.

As for why Cruise played Hunt instead of Phelps, the original idea was for Peter Graves to reprise Phelps, something he refused to do when he found out he'd be the villain. According to Wikipedia, DePalma's goal was to do a story that constantly surprised people, with nothing being what it seemed. So the guy who we thought was the hero would turn out to be the villain, and his protege would turn out to be the hero. Not an idea that turned out very well, but it seems to fit DePalma's overall style and sensibilities.


It's like the other team members were pushed to the side, if not expendable then definitely in subordinate positions.
In the first three, yes, but not in GP, which is much more of an ensemble piece. In fact, the original plan for GP was to set up Jeremy Renner to take over from Cruise as the series lead, which is why Brandt was such a central character.
 
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Christopher,

You are right that a lot of movies have poorly developed, one dimensional villains, however it seems like a pattern with MI. I'm just speculating. I have no proof that Cruise impacts the writing room, though I do wonder how much control-if any-he has in casting decisions.

Perhaps I hadn't wanted to count Dougray Scott's character because I thought that was a lackluster movie overall. But I will say that his character had more development than the villains in GP and RN. And I did like how he was a dark mirror to Ethan Hunt. I don't know if I would agree that Scott dominated Cruise in that film though.

I don't know how much control-as I mentioned above-Cruise has in the decision making in the MI franchise. But does he have the authorization to pick directors now? It seems like I read something like that, that he got either Brad Bird or McQuarrie. I could be misremembering something, but I thought I had read that somewhere.

I think the surprise in MI:I would've worked better if it had been Peter Graves-but I'm glad he didn't agree to do it. Having Voight play Phelps in name only didn't work. Plus it wasn't like Voight was the warmest leader. If they had played up more of father-son/mentor relationship the betrayal might've had more impact.
 
You are right that a lot of movies have poorly developed, one dimensional villains, however it seems like a pattern with MI. I'm just speculating. I have no proof that Cruise impacts the writing room, though I do wonder how much control-if any-he has in casting decisions.

I think there's a natural tendency to want to find a scapegoat for decisions one doesn't like, and the most visible target is the most obvious one to latch onto -- which is why the impulse to do so must be examined with great skepticism. It usually takes more than one person to make a bad movie anyway, or to make bad decisions in a good movie. Singling out a scapegoat is facile, especially when it's someone that it's fashionable to dislike.


Perhaps I hadn't wanted to count Dougray Scott's character because I thought that was a lackluster movie overall. But I will say that his character had more development than the villains in GP and RN. And I did like how he was a dark mirror to Ethan Hunt. I don't know if I would agree that Scott dominated Cruise in that film though.

I didn't say he dominated Cruise, the actor; I said his character was better-developed than Cruise's character. Ethan Hunt went through his first two movies, and his first decade of existence as a character, without a trace of an actual personality.


I don't know how much control-as I mentioned above-Cruise has in the decision making in the MI franchise. But does he have the authorization to pick directors now? It seems like I read something like that, that he got either Brad Bird or McQuarrie. I could be misremembering something, but I thought I had read that somewhere.

Cruise has been a producer on the entire film series (with Paula Wagner on the third), but Bad Robot produced the past two films. I think it's safe to say that Abrams has had substantial creative influence over the past three films, i.e. the good ones. As I said, all the films seem to be shaped by distinct creative visions, so it makes no sense to assume that one man has been behind every decision in the series. If Cruise's input is responsible for anything, it's mainly the emphasis on wild stunts and climbing scenes for him to do. That's the only really consistent thing about the films aside from the presence of Cruise and Rhames. Otherwise, the first two films are profoundly dissimilar from one another and from the three films made with Abrams's involvement (or at least the two I've seen). So I think it's clear that Cruise's creative input is secondary to that of the films' respective directors. If it were all about him, the films would have much more consistency.


I think the surprise in MI:I would've worked better if it had been Peter Graves-but I'm glad he didn't agree to do it. Having Voight play Phelps in name only didn't work. Plus it wasn't like Voight was the warmest leader. If they had played up more of father-son/mentor relationship the betrayal might've had more impact.

Ironically, Voight's version of Phelps is far more reminiscent of Dan Briggs, Phelps's predecessor in the first season -- like Briggs, he's more stern and aloof, and often stays behind while the team goes on missions. It would've worked better if he had been Briggs, except only diehard fans would've recognized the name.
 
It's too late now, but Kittridge could've been Phelps and have Peter Graves return that way, and if they wanted to pull the team leader twist, find someone from the series who wouldn't have minded turning coat, maybe Leonard Nimoy or Sam Elliott.
 
Saw the film Tuesday. My review:

https://christopherlbennett.wordpre...ible-rogue-nation-2015-movie-review-spoilers/

Short version: Very well-done, almost as good as the previous two, but somewhat shallower in the characterizations, though the relationships and history among the returning ensemble players helped compensate for that. A good action movie in the vein of previous installments, but it fails to capture the spirit of the original series like Ghost Protocol did. The score is a particular standout, as good as Giacchino's scores and in much the same vein (though also similar to Elfman's score to the original film in some ways).
 
Coming late to this (though I saw the film a week or two ago).

Another very solid entry in the series but breaks its run of improving with every film. However, given how good the previous 2 were, that's hardly a big criticism.

Cruise remains just a brilliantly watchable old-school movie star. I could not give a detonating disc about his personal or religious life, I'll go and see him in films as long as they're this good. The supporting cast were great and I liked how this film gave its leading lady (who I'd never heard of before) plenty to do.

I was surprised at how little Renner got to do, given that he was apparently introduced as Cruise's possible replacement to topline the series. Can't help but wonder if he'll return for VI. Between this and Bourne, he's not having much luck in replacing franchise leads, but he remains charismatic and watchable.

The bad guy was, much like GP's villain, quite low-key and I kept feeling that he belonged in something like Coronation Street (UK Mancunian soap opera) but I actually liked his anonymity - made him feel like a real secret agent, as oppose to a Bond-style superspy.

I noted with wry amusement that the British PM was played by an actor best-known for light comedy and who played a bumbling minister in In The Loop. Coming on the heels of Stephen Fry as the PM in 24: Live Another Day, are we to take it that Americans don't take David Cameron too seriously?!

Gripes - it did go on a little too long, even if the end sequence was very clever. And where was Hunt's wife, played by the lovely Michelle Monaghan in the last 2 films? Is she dead? Are they divorced? I was surprised that she didn't even warrant a mention when he was on the run.

Still, a lot of fun. I'll be there for the 6th movie.
 
I was disappointed they didn't mention Michelle Monaghan as well, but I chose to interpret Hunt's lack of interest in the quadruple agent lady him being faithful to his wife without mentioning it.
 
I was surprised at how little Renner got to do, given that he was apparently introduced as Cruise's possible replacement to topline the series. Can't help but wonder if he'll return for VI. Between this and Bourne, he's not having much luck in replacing franchise leads, but he remains charismatic and watchable.

Honestly, I've always found Renner rather bland. I don't really get what people see in him. And though I try not to conflate actors' personal and professional lives, I've had a negative opinion of Renner ever since he made sexist, slut-shaming jokes about Black Widow during Age of Ultron publicity and not only failed to apologize, but doubled down on them.


The bad guy was, much like GP's villain, quite low-key and I kept feeling that he belonged in something like Coronation Street (UK Mancunian soap opera) but I actually liked his anonymity - made him feel like a real secret agent, as oppose to a Bond-style superspy.

I didn't care for his voice. I suppose there was something effectively creepy about that soft, whispery delivery, but I had a bit of trouble making out his lines.


I was disappointed they didn't mention Michelle Monaghan as well, but I chose to interpret Hunt's lack of interest in the quadruple agent lady him being faithful to his wife without mentioning it.

That's my take too. Still, it's disappointing to go back to the first two movies' approach of giving Ethan no distinct characterization beyond "really driven renegade agent who gets really mad at people who kill his associates, and also runs and climbs things a lot." His relationship with Julia did so much to humanize him and give emotional weight to the films.
 
I was surprised at how little Renner got to do, given that he was apparently introduced as Cruise's possible replacement to topline the series. Can't help but wonder if he'll return for VI. Between this and Bourne, he's not having much luck in replacing franchise leads, but he remains charismatic and watchable.

Other than websites reporting what other websites said, there's never been any real confirmation that was the intention for Renner.

Also, if filming overlapped with The Avengers, that might've affected what he could shoot with Rogue Nation.
 
You are right that a lot of movies have poorly developed, one dimensional villains, however it seems like a pattern with MI. I'm just speculating. I have no proof that Cruise impacts the writing room, though I do wonder how much control-if any-he has in casting decisions.

I think there's a natural tendency to want to find a scapegoat for decisions one doesn't like, and the most visible target is the most obvious one to latch onto -- which is why the impulse to do so must be examined with great skepticism. It usually takes more than one person to make a bad movie anyway, or to make bad decisions in a good movie. Singling out a scapegoat is facile, especially when it's someone that it's fashionable to dislike.


Perhaps I hadn't wanted to count Dougray Scott's character because I thought that was a lackluster movie overall. But I will say that his character had more development than the villains in GP and RN. And I did like how he was a dark mirror to Ethan Hunt. I don't know if I would agree that Scott dominated Cruise in that film though.

I didn't say he dominated Cruise, the actor; I said his character was better-developed than Cruise's character. Ethan Hunt went through his first two movies, and his first decade of existence as a character, without a trace of an actual personality.


I don't know how much control-as I mentioned above-Cruise has in the decision making in the MI franchise. But does he have the authorization to pick directors now? It seems like I read something like that, that he got either Brad Bird or McQuarrie. I could be misremembering something, but I thought I had read that somewhere.

Cruise has been a producer on the entire film series (with Paula Wagner on the third), but Bad Robot produced the past two films. I think it's safe to say that Abrams has had substantial creative influence over the past three films, i.e. the good ones. As I said, all the films seem to be shaped by distinct creative visions, so it makes no sense to assume that one man has been behind every decision in the series. If Cruise's input is responsible for anything, it's mainly the emphasis on wild stunts and climbing scenes for him to do. That's the only really consistent thing about the films aside from the presence of Cruise and Rhames. Otherwise, the first two films are profoundly dissimilar from one another and from the three films made with Abrams's involvement (or at least the two I've seen). So I think it's clear that Cruise's creative input is secondary to that of the films' respective directors. If it were all about him, the films would have much more consistency.


I think the surprise in MI:I would've worked better if it had been Peter Graves-but I'm glad he didn't agree to do it. Having Voight play Phelps in name only didn't work. Plus it wasn't like Voight was the warmest leader. If they had played up more of father-son/mentor relationship the betrayal might've had more impact.

Ironically, Voight's version of Phelps is far more reminiscent of Dan Briggs, Phelps's predecessor in the first season -- like Briggs, he's more stern and aloof, and often stays behind while the team goes on missions. It would've worked better if he had been Briggs, except only diehard fans would've recognized the name.

First off I'm not scapegoating anyone. I like these films, for the most part, though I don't think they are without flaws. I do think Cruise has influence over these films, but I never said I thought he was on the only one making all the decisions. I sort of feel like you are putting words in my mouth and you're being a little condescending.

And while the films have different styles, they are all about Cruise at the end of the day. It could be about picking the revered (DePalma) director, which likely was all or mostly the studio, to give weight and gravitas to the first film and then later up and coming or hot directors for later installments (which I could see Cruise having a role in). I mean maybe the different feel is part of it, to keep each one fresh, of the moment. I think that Hunt has largely remained a cipher (except for MI3 and to some extent MI4)throughout most of the film series. Character development has not been a hallmark of these films, but they have been great displays at showing off how good Cruise is at doing stunts and how his charisma can carry a franchise.
 
And while the films have different styles, they are all about Cruise at the end of the day.

And the Indiana Jones films are about Harrison Ford at the end of the day. And Goldfinger and Diamonds Are Forever are about Sean Connery at the end of the day. And Enter the Dragon is about Bruce Lee at the end of the day. Tell me, is it somehow unusual for a film to be about its star? I really don't get your point here.


I mean maybe the different feel is part of it, to keep each one fresh, of the moment.
That's giving the series far too much credit for consistency. Only two films actually came out in the first ten years of the series. There was a six-year gap between the second and third films. I hardly even call that a series. It's more like three independent tries to get an M:I film series started -- only the third of which was successful.
 
I mean maybe the different feel is part of it, to keep each one fresh, of the moment.
That's giving the series far too much credit for consistency. Only two films actually came out in the first ten years of the series. There was a six-year gap between the second and third films. I hardly even call that a series. It's more like three independent tries to get an M:I film series started -- only the third of which was successful.

James Bond, Godzilla and Indiana Jones also took long breaks yet they're still considered a single movie series. But in terms of Mission: Impossible, Cruise had other jobs going on and he had a problem with Paramount at one point, the series wasn't going to happen without him though.
 
And while the films have different styles, they are all about Cruise at the end of the day.

And the Indiana Jones films are about Harrison Ford at the end of the day. And Goldfinger and Diamonds Are Forever are about Sean Connery at the end of the day. And Enter the Dragon is about Bruce Lee at the end of the day. Tell me, is it somehow unusual for a film to be about its star? I really don't get your point here.


I mean maybe the different feel is part of it, to keep each one fresh, of the moment.
That's giving the series far too much credit for consistency. Only two films actually came out in the first ten years of the series. There was a six-year gap between the second and third films. I hardly even call that a series. It's more like three independent tries to get an M:I film series started -- only the third of which was successful.

I was referring to your contention that if the films were all about Cruise they would be more consistent. Despite their variations they are about Cruise at the end of the day, that's the point I was trying to make. So to me it doesn't matter if they are different stylistically or adhere to any particular director's vision. Cruise still is the center of the film. And I have to wonder if Cruise being the star that he is, and with as much money as he has generated from these films, isn't an important voice in how they are made.

I'm not sure where you're going with the consistency argument, however MI was strong enough a brand to weather the long droughts between the first three films. I'm assuming you are saying that the MI films didn't congeal into a series until MI3 and that has carried on. I think you might have a point there. But my point about the varying styles was that those movies were perhaps made with the flavor of the month in mind, and not necessarily to build a unique look and feel that belonged to the MI film series or brand. That the studios, perhaps with Cruise's involvement, chose hot directors and their vision and brought them under the MI umbrella to appeal to contemporary tastes, right then. Overall I don't know how the movie series itself has held up if each film has different visions, though I don't think the last three films have been all that different. Perhaps I should say from MI2 on. While MI2 has John Woo's distinctive flair the focus more on stunts and style continued in the later films. MI 1 was a different beast. MI 1 is like the odd man out.

Also I wanted to go back to something you said earlier regarding the scapegoating. I don't disagree that being anti-Cruise isn't fashionable for some, but don't assume that I am in that number. While I did think some of his antics were as odd as they were entertaining, I didn't become a fan of the MI series until the third one, and that's after the Oprah episode, if I recall correctly. Granted it was JJ Abrams and Alias that brought me to the franchise, but I still thought MI3 was a solid film and remains my favorite MI so far.
 
I was referring to your contention that if the films were all about Cruise they would be more consistent. Despite their variations they are about Cruise at the end of the day, that's the point I was trying to make.

That's confusing two different roles for Cruise, though. Obviously they are all about the actor Tom Cruise as the star of the films, but that does not prove that they are all about the producer Tom Cruise as the person making the decisions. The one does not follow from the other, because most spy and action films center heavily on their lead actors, even though those actors are usually not the producers.


So to me it doesn't matter if they are different stylistically or adhere to any particular director's vision. Cruise still is the center of the film. And I have to wonder if Cruise being the star that he is, and with as much money as he has generated from these films, isn't an important voice in how they are made.
Obviously he is, but not to the extent you seem to be asserting. As I've said, while there are certain similarities across the series, they're outweighed by the considerable differences that reflect the styles and sensibilities of their respective directors. The first M:I is unambiguously a Brian DePalma film, a paranoid thriller where nothing is as it seems. M:I-2 is blatantly a John Woo film, a cartoony, over-the-top Hong Kong action orgy with random doves flying through the scene. M:i:III is recognizably a J.J. Abrams film, a variation on Alias. Ghost Protocol has the comic flair, visual brilliance, and meticulously worked-out action gags of Brad Bird's previous animated features. To anyone who's familiar with these directors' other works, their signatures clearly dominate their respective films. (RN is my first Christopher McQuarrie film, so I have no basis for comparison there.) Of course Cruise has an influence -- that's what being the producer means -- but it's clearly secondary to the directors' own individual styles.


But my point about the varying styles was that those movies were perhaps made with the flavor of the month in mind, and not necessarily to build a unique look and feel that belonged to the MI film series or brand.
I'm not saying it's either of those things. Those both assume that it was intentional. The reason there were so many years between those films is because there were a lot of false starts in between -- directors brought in and scripts developed that just fell apart so that the project had to be started over. David Fincher and Joe Carnahan were both slated to do the third film, but neither of their approaches worked out. And yes, it was Cruise who picked Abrams, but he clearly let Abrams do his own thing.

That's what I'm saying -- that while Cruise, as producer, is clearly a decision-maker over the whole series, he strikes me as the kind of decision-maker who trusts his colleagues to bring their own contributions. Just because the Ethan Hunt character tends to be a lone wolf who leaves his team behind, that doesn't mean the actor is too.


Overall I don't know how the movie series itself has held up if each film has different visions, though I don't think the last three films have been all that different.
Yes, that's my whole premise. DePalma and Woo were both let go after one film, but Abrams has continued his association with the series for three films now, as director on one and producer on the other two. And that has given the past three films a continuity and consistency that the first two lacked. Even though Cruise was producer on all five. Just one more reason I think that Abrams's influence over the series carries more weight than Cruise's. Cruise is the one whose clout gets them made, of course, but now he's found a collaborator he can trust in Abrams, and it's Abrams who enabled the series to find its voice at last and finally feel like an ongoing series rather than a string of unconnected movies with a shared title and lead character name.


Perhaps I should say from MI2 on. While MI2 has John Woo's distinctive flair the focus more on stunts and style continued in the later films. MI 1 was a different beast. MI 1 is like the odd man out.
In that sense, perhaps, but in other senses I'd say M:I-2 is the odd one out, because it's the dumbest and shallowest by a significant margin (although the first film was incredibly dumb in some ways), and also the least like Mission: Impossible. It barely has a team beyond Ethan; it has the least emphasis on caper elements (at least until Rogue Nation); it has a rock score rather than a Lalo Schifrin-influenced orchestral one; and I believe it's the only installment in the entire 49-year history of the franchise that makes no use at all of Schifrin's "The Plot" motif in its score. Also, M:I-2 is the only film in the series in which Ethan Hunt is never branded a traitor or on the run from his own government. Which is one of the few points in its favor.

I think most of the films have contributed something to the ongoing series, for better or worse. The first film set the pattern of doing stories about traitors within the IMF and Ethan being on the run. The second film ramped up the stunts and action to the next level, although it was the iconic Langley break-in scene in the first film that really started that trend. The third film brought in Abrams and his TV-series sensibilities which have helped give the successive films more continuity and stability, and also deepened Ethan's emotional life. And the fourth film was the first to have a real ensemble flavor and a largely humorous tone, both of which carried forward into RN. Plus, of course, there are the characters -- M:I gave us Ethan and Luther, M:i:III gave us Benji, and GP gave us Brandt. (And if there's any justice, RN's Ilsa Faust will be the first female lead to return in a major role for a second film, though I'm not optimistic given the track record.) I think it says something that M:I-2 was the only installment that didn't contribute an enduring character to the series.
 
I was referring to your contention that if the films were all about Cruise they would be more consistent. Despite their variations they are about Cruise at the end of the day, that's the point I was trying to make.

That's confusing two different roles for Cruise, though. Obviously they are all about the actor Tom Cruise as the star of the films, but that does not prove that they are all about the producer Tom Cruise as the person making the decisions. The one does not follow from the other, because most spy and action films center heavily on their lead actors, even though those actors are usually not the producers.


So to me it doesn't matter if they are different stylistically or adhere to any particular director's vision. Cruise still is the center of the film. And I have to wonder if Cruise being the star that he is, and with as much money as he has generated from these films, isn't an important voice in how they are made.
Obviously he is, but not to the extent you seem to be asserting. As I've said, while there are certain similarities across the series, they're outweighed by the considerable differences that reflect the styles and sensibilities of their respective directors. The first M:I is unambiguously a Brian DePalma film, a paranoid thriller where nothing is as it seems. M:I-2 is blatantly a John Woo film, a cartoony, over-the-top Hong Kong action orgy with random doves flying through the scene. M:i:III is recognizably a J.J. Abrams film, a variation on Alias. Ghost Protocol has the comic flair, visual brilliance, and meticulously worked-out action gags of Brad Bird's previous animated features. To anyone who's familiar with these directors' other works, their signatures clearly dominate their respective films. (RN is my first Christopher McQuarrie film, so I have no basis for comparison there.) Of course Cruise has an influence -- that's what being the producer means -- but it's clearly secondary to the directors' own individual styles.


I'm not saying it's either of those things. Those both assume that it was intentional. The reason there were so many years between those films is because there were a lot of false starts in between -- directors brought in and scripts developed that just fell apart so that the project had to be started over. David Fincher and Joe Carnahan were both slated to do the third film, but neither of their approaches worked out. And yes, it was Cruise who picked Abrams, but he clearly let Abrams do his own thing.

That's what I'm saying -- that while Cruise, as producer, is clearly a decision-maker over the whole series, he strikes me as the kind of decision-maker who trusts his colleagues to bring their own contributions. Just because the Ethan Hunt character tends to be a lone wolf who leaves his team behind, that doesn't mean the actor is too.


Overall I don't know how the movie series itself has held up if each film has different visions, though I don't think the last three films have been all that different.
Yes, that's my whole premise. DePalma and Woo were both let go after one film, but Abrams has continued his association with the series for three films now, as director on one and producer on the other two. And that has given the past three films a continuity and consistency that the first two lacked. Even though Cruise was producer on all five. Just one more reason I think that Abrams's influence over the series carries more weight than Cruise's. Cruise is the one whose clout gets them made, of course, but now he's found a collaborator he can trust in Abrams, and it's Abrams who enabled the series to find its voice at last and finally feel like an ongoing series rather than a string of unconnected movies with a shared title and lead character name.

DePalma and Woo were brought in thanks to Cruise and Paula Wagner, I think you're giving Abrams too much credit Bad Robot has an agreement with Paramount to help them produce their movies, but Cruise and Wagner I think has the real control over the series.
 
Actually, Paula Wagner's last M:I movie was the third one. Instead of Cruise/Wagner Productions it's just Cruise now, plus Bad Robot and whoever else co-produces.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeQBWWDcHLE[/yt]
 
Actually, Paula Wagner's last M:I movie was the third one. Instead of Cruise/Wagner Productions it's just Cruise now, plus Bad Robot and whoever else co-produces.

Exactly. And, of course, different producers have different functions. Some are more responsible for the financing and the corporate decision-making that gets films made in the first place; Cruise's producer role (along with Wagner in the first decade of the series) is probably more along those lines. Other producers are more responsible for the creative side, and obviously J.J. Abrams falls into that category. Cruise naturally has some creative input, which is why the movies continue to let him indulge his fondness for extreme stunts; but you don't hire a writer-director-producer like Abrams to produce your films if you don't want him to be involved in the creative side of things.

And it's worth noting that it's only since Abrams, a former television producer, came onboard that the films have had continuity, with characters other than Ethan and Luther returning and with plot or character threads from one film having an impact on the next. They now feel more like an ongoing series than they did pre-Abrams.
 
JJ Abrams is still producing TV shows there's nothing former about it, b ut with Into Darkness and The Force Awakens his involvement in the Mission:Impossible movies I'm sure has declined a bit.
 
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