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[An Officer]

I cannot "deal" with him, I have no powers to... and you may be right. If you are, aren't you doing a bit of unofficial modding yourself? I am not the only non mod who has addressed Hermiod, I come after a long line, beginning with RoJoHen, followed by Pingfah, Camelopard, then Sidious618... I would tend to think you are guilty of "singling out" yourself.

Edit: Posted the above before I saw Kestra's own edit to take it to PM.

 

[Spot's Meow]

Say what? You're trying to tell me that some poster saying he'd like to sleep with Jessica Biel is worse than someone telling you that you're a lesser person because you're a woman? That's ridiculous.

What I mean is that at least if you (the general you) are being outright hostile about it, you are being honest about it. Honest that you're a sexist jerk, but still honest. All of the obsessing over women here can sometimes come off as an attitude of just seeing women as sexual objects, which gets pretty insulting after a while. But you can't call any specific person on it because they were just joking or they didn't mean any harm by it. Yet it fosters an atmosphere of seeing women in a certain light that is hurtful. So in that sense it is worse to me, because not only do you feel objectified but no one's even being honest about it and you can't really bring it up because they will just say you are being too sensitive about it.

 

[sidious618]

What I mean is that at least if you (the general you) are being outright hostile about it, you are being honest about it. Honest that you're a sexist jerk, but still honest. All of the obsessing over women here can sometimes come off as an attitude of just seeing women as sexual objects, which gets pretty insulting after a while. But you can't call any specific person on it because they were just joking or they didn't mean any harm by it. Yet it fosters an atmosphere of seeing women in a certain light that is hurtful. So in that sense it is worse to me, because not only do you feel objectified but no one's even being honest about it and you can't really bring it up because they will just say you are being too sensitive about it.

I'm sorry to inform you of this but no matter your gender and no matter your age you see attractive people in a sexual light. It's a fact (unless you're asexual). So, no, if someone comments on Jessica Biel or George Clooney they are not being a sexist jerk. That's a ridiculous, and yes overly sensitive, way of looking at things. It's complaints like this that cause the real ones to be brushed away because wolf has been cried too many times.

 

[trampledamage]

What I mean is that at least if you (the general you) are being outright hostile about it, you are being honest about it. Honest that you're a sexist jerk, but still honest. All of the obsessing over women here can sometimes come off as an attitude of just seeing women as sexual objects, which gets pretty insulting after a while. But you can't call any specific person on it because they were just joking or they didn't mean any harm by it. Yet it fosters an atmosphere of seeing women in a certain light that is hurtful. So in that sense it is worse to me, because not only do you feel objectified but no one's even being honest about it and you can't really bring it up because they will just say you are being too sensitive about it.

I'm sorry to inform you of this but no matter your gender and no matter your age you see attractive people in a sexual light. It's a fact (unless you're asexual). So, no, if someone comments on Jessica Biel or George Clooney they are not being a sexist jerk. That's a ridiculous, and yes overly sensitive, way of looking at things. It's complaints like this that cause the real ones to be brushed away because wolf has been cried too many times.

Especially when we're talking about film stars (or I'm shit out of luck and about to get banned for my posts in the Karl Urban thread in Trek XI - much as I love him for his mind...)

I'd say a tighter line needs to be drawn when refering to other posters. And that goes for men -> women, women -> men, men -> men, women -> women. Because I've got to tell you all, for all that a lot of people are saying there's too much men -> women sexism, this has got to be the most "equal" board I've ever been on for the range of sexual comments that are made.


Here's a thought (and yes, I know I said I'd shut up last time I meandered on, will do this time, promise )

Start a new pictures thread. Open it with the rules that there are to be no overtly sexual comments. See how that goes for helping create a new atmosphere here.

 

[Hermiod]

I do take you all seriously whether you think so or not. Take a note out of RJ's book though, it's not necessary to post in a manner that you know is going to get someone angry in order to moderate.

Which is also a good approach to use even when you're not a moderator.

Yet my WWRJD T-shirts remain unsold. Where's the justice ?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Start a new pictures thread. Open it with the rules that there are to be no overtly sexual comments. See how that goes for helping create a new atmosphere here.

I think that's a good suggestion. I would also suggest when we start the thread perhaps putting the "no sexual comments" or "read OP before responding" in the title so people who come in to the thread when it's been going a long time know what the rules are.

 

[T'Bonz]

I miss this rule:

The best general guideline can be summed up in one phrase: use common sense when you post.

No shit.

 

[Squiggy]

And your fun with selective quoting post is kinda just spamming. It doesn't address the topic at all.

Bloody hell it doesn't. I pointed out how taking a snippet of anything and making it stand alone can totally change the meaning.

 

[sidious618]

I miss this rule:

The best general guideline can be summed up in one phrase: use common sense when you post.

No shit.

So you're just not going to address what I said about my quote?

 

[T'Bonz]

Probably not 'til Sunday. I'm out-of-town and supposed to be on vacation!

 

[sidious618]

Probably not 'til Sunday. I'm out-of-town and supposed to be on vacation!

Okay.

 

[Garak]

Probably not 'til Sunday. I'm out-of-town and supposed to be on vacation!

Would it be sexist for me to say I have a very strong urge for Romulan Dark Ale?

 

[Kirk's_Tights]

....ehhhhh, I'm kind torn on this one.

I tend to take the net far less seriously, I guess, which is why most things don't bother me. If I posted a pic and someone said something alone the lines of rape or whatever, I wouldn't really care. I just don't see why people need to be so sensitive about the internet. It's a place where people escape and try to have some fun.

Is an issue like rape crossing the line? I'd say it would be if someone was raped irl and someone was making fun of that fact but if someone says to me "I'd rape you" after I posted a picture, I tend to take it as just another way of someone saying "you're hot" (I am not saying I am hot, I am just using this as an example) because I highly doubt they would actually mean they would find me and rape me. Even if they did, I'd beat the shit out of them anyways so no worries.


In all honestly, I will of course repect the rules but I also think people should lighten up. It's just the internet. People didn't really mind what was being said about a certain Failbat in TNZ but they care about those quotes? I know TNZ is a different zone but still, I think far worse things were said.

Just my opinion *shrug*

 

[Teelie]

The internet is not the wild, wild west like some people pretend it is. There are places on it like that, but just like the real world you have to follow the rules of wherever you happen to be. In Misc there is a limit to what you're allowed. Scroll down to TNZ and it's much looser. Go to some other board and you can post whatever you like, illegal, immoral, unethical, just plain wrong, no one will care. Obviously TBBS is not one of those places.

The board has rules that govern it for a reason. If you can't abide them, go elsewhere. That's why I don't post things here I would on another board and on some boards I wouldn't post stuff I could get away with in this one. There is a place for everyone but not everyone is for every place.

 

[T'Bonz]

Probably not 'til Sunday. I'm out-of-town and supposed to be on vacation!

Would it be sexist for me to say I have a very strong urge for Romulan Dark Ale?

Let's just say that it's fortunate for you that you're not at Shore Leave this weekend. All the trouble over this!

A Romulan kick in the nuts might ruin your weekend.

 

[Garak]

Probably not 'til Sunday. I'm out-of-town and supposed to be on vacation!

Would it be sexist for me to say I have a very strong urge for Romulan Dark Ale?

Let's just say that it's fortunate for you that you're not at Shore Leave this weekend. All the trouble over this!

A Romulan kick in the nuts might ruin your weekend.

My most humble apologies.

Have fun at Shore Leave. Maybe next year I'll join and buy you a beer, I'm sure I owe you one. Several, actually.

 

[Squiggy]

Let's look at the rape comment in context:

Had it not been for Palin, Obama WOULD have gotten his landslide. He did not...because of the crowds she drew.

I'm I going to have to dust off all my old election charts and maps and choke a bitch?

Obama won every swing state with the exeption of Missouori, which wasn't finalized for weeks because McCain only won by 3,900 votes out of 3,000,000 cast.

Obama won Indiana. The first time since Johnson's landslide of 1964 that Indiana went blue.

Obama won Virginia. Also the first time since Johnson's landslide of 1964 that Indiana went blue.

Obama won Omaha. The whitest place on Earth.

Obama won North Carolina. The home of Jesse Helms. The first time in 30 years North Carolina went Democrat.

Now, watch me as I rape your face. These are the county changes between 2004 and 2008:

Watch me as I rape your face again. This the how much each county changed. The darker the blue, the more Democratic, the darker the red the more Republican

Nationwide, the country went heavily for Obama with the only Republican gains in Tennessee, Arkansas, and the Appalachians. Well done Palin! What a electoral powerhouse you are.

Let's look at the national polling shall we?

Oh my. She seemed to have helped for a week or so...until she opened her mouth and showed the United States that Alaskans shouldn't be trusted to vote for their own governor and should be devolved to a territory.

There you go. There's my rampant sexism. Ohhhh no. Ooga booga, I'm keeping the proud female down.

 

[trampledamage]

Both Squiggy and Sidious have been taken out of context. Not much you can do with Garak's posts - they were exactly what they appear to be!

I think using the quotes from the Sarah Palin thread has directed too close attention to that thread, where the issue really is that posters have been complaining to the moderators and admins about what they see as upsetting content in a lot of other threads.

If it was just the Sarah Palin thread, T'Bonz would be kicking butt and taking names, but there wouldn't be this thread.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

Especially when we're talking about film stars (or I'm shit out of luck and about to get banned for my posts in the Karl Urban thread in Trek XI - much as I love him for his mind...)

*sigh* I'll get our purses then.

Yeah, I even started to think back about what I've posted about Chris, Karl and Zach in the ST XI forum. Even I slip up at times and have to reigh myself in.

 

[sidious618]

If it was just the Sarah Palin thread, T'Bonz would be kicking butt and taking names, but there wouldn't be this thread.

I think we need more examples if we want to discuss things in depth, y'know? Does not necessarily have to be a post copied and pasted but we need something more to go on.