Mirror universe Disturbing.

[scotpens]

though i dont think i can stomach it. it's too edgy and disturbing to me.

Did someone say "stomach"?

(Hey, somebody had to.)

 

[FormerLurker]

i want to pretend that the mirror universe wasn't caused by humanity's own primal warlike nature. i really want to pretend that an alien invasion substituting WW3 and preceding vulcan first contact started this. i really wanted to disregard the prologue and intro of "in a mirror Darkly" and deem it non-canon or better, "nonexistent". I gives me anxiety everytime i watch it.

One of the points of speculative fiction is to speculate on how such a world could come to be. So, the Mirror Universe offers the opportunity to comment about mankind's potential for savagery. And we are always capable of that.

I have long subscribed to the idea that the MU is a result of Khan and the other Eugenics supermen (now called Augments) actually WINNING the Eugenics War. All the debasement of society we see in the resulting 21st century, regardless of how much it might resemble the Prime one, is a direct result of that victory, and the resultant ongoing conflicts that engenders. Zefram Cochrane killing the Vulcan that greeted him is because he thinks the odd appearance comes from further Eugenics experimentation, for instance, and not some primal xenophobia, and he wants to take advantage of whatever advances exist in the ship these new Augments arrive in.

 

[fireproof78]

I have long subscribed to the idea that the MU is a result of Khan and the other Eugenics supermen (now called Augments) actually WINNING the Eugenics War. All the debasement of society we see in the resulting 21st century, regardless of how much it might resemble the Prime one, is a direct result of that victory, and the resultant ongoing conflicts that engenders. Zefram Cochrane killing the Vulcan that greeted him is because he thinks the odd appearance comes from further Eugenics experimentation, for instance, and not some primal xenophobia, and he wants to take advantage of whatever advances exist in the ship these new Augments arrive in.

I kind of like that idea, though the comics afforded other background too:

 

[Jayson1]

What's wrong with being disturbed by disturbing idea's? It's like seeing a horror movie and not wanted to be scarred. Granted I don't think Trek is often realistic enough to ever quite pull out those kinds of emotions. The appeal of the mirror universe for me is basically the fun of seeing the regular Trek world distorted in that it's kind of the same but also very different as well.


Jason

 

[Haggis and tatties]

With my aging face i regard all mirrors as disturbing.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I’ve joked that we live in the MU, but really it’s hard to take seriously because it’s so campy. MU doesn’t show us realistically evil humans, it shows us comic book movie villains. It’s fun-evil, not real-evil.

You want to see a realistic human future, watch Minority Report or Black Mirror.

 

[johnnybear]

Surely if Cochrane killed the Vulcan emissary in the Mirror Universe would that mean that Spock would never be born as wasn't the Vulcan an ancestor of Spock's? That or the MU as seen in DS9 and ENT is like the one seen in DSC a totally different one from that seen in TOS?
JB

 

[DonIago]

Not if the ancestor already did everything he needed to do to ensure Spock would be born.

Or he could have not been a direct ancestor...

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Surely if Cochrane killed the Vulcan emissary in the Mirror Universe would that mean that Spock would never be born as wasn't the Vulcan an ancestor of Spock's?

Not necessarily. He could have already had the children that eventually led to Spock.

 

[johnnybear]

Yeah, never thought of that! Good one, Jonny!
JB

 

[JoeZhang]

I kind of like that idea, though the comics afforded other background too:

The now incompatible TNG Novel Dark Mirror has Picard reading literature in his MU counterpart's quarters and when he reads The Iiad that it is different* and suggests the MU has always been like this.


(*Prism begs Achilles for the return of Hector's body. Achilles laughs at him and then kills him).

 

[Lance]

I’ve joked that we live in the MU, but really it’s hard to take seriously because it’s so campy. MU doesn’t show us realistically evil humans, it shows us comic book movie villains. It’s fun-evil, not real-evil.

You want to see a realistic human future, watch Minority Report or Black Mirror.

None of Star Trek's universes is particularly realistic But at least the MU admits that human-kind have always been savage, primal creatures for many many centuries, and aren't likely to change that in a mere matter of centuries from now. The idea that everyone will have a great epiphany within 200-300 years is at best fanciful.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

The now incompatible TNG Novel Dark Mirror has Picard reading literature in his MU counterpart's quarters and when he reads The Iiad that it is different* and suggests the MU has always been like this.

Yeah, I personally find the idea that the MU has always been a parallel but twisted version of our own to be a much more compelling one than it's yet another alternate timeline with a clear point of divergence. Star Trek already has plenty of those. Why not do something different?

 

[Jayson1]

If we go off the opening credits to the "Enterprise" mirror universe then we got to assume that world has always been different. Some of those images go back to before our present day. We at the very least know it goes back to World War III since we see their Zephran Cochrane bascially kill the Vulcans who make first contact with earth.

Jason

 

[JirinPanthosa]

None of Star Trek's universes is particularly realistic But at least the MU admits that human-kind have always been savage, primal creatures for many many centuries, and aren't likely to change that in a mere matter of centuries from now. The idea that everyone will have a great epiphany within 200-300 years is at best fanciful.

The MU gets humanity just as wrong as the prime universe, just in the other direction.

 

[Delta Vega]

Would the Borg be just a great bunch of lads in the Mirror Universe, and the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians etc ?

 

[The Wormhole]

The MU gets humanity just as wrong as the prime universe, just in the other direction.

Mirror Universe humans are supposed to be the complete polar opposite of Prime Universe humans.

Would the Borg be just a great bunch of lads in the Mirror Universe, and the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians etc ?

The Borg would be a snooty clique who would be picky and choosy about who they assimilate.

 

[DonIago]

We get an interpretation of the MU Borg in an anthology.

Also they're already choosy on some level. They opted not to assimilate the Kazon for instance.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

We get an interpretation of the MU Borg in an anthology.

Also they're already choosy on some level. They opted not to assimilate the Kazon for instance.

Neither did the prime universe Borg.

 

[DonIago]

The Prime Borg were who I was referring to in that sentence...