Miranda->Nebula->??

[Timo]

Where the original meeting with the heavenly chainmail took place is less relevant than the fact that the combined ship then flew for several minutes at extreme warp in the opposite direction. This should not equate "several hours at sublight", but (hopefully) several days if not weeks at least. After all, less-than-extreme warp ought to take our heroes to the nearest star in less than a day by all plot precedent.

Unless we plead "Paradise Syndrome" and argue that warp 9+ is barely FTL when close enough to the star Deneb...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mytran]

Actually, their heading is 351 mark 11 according to Worf, just after their rapid departure. This itself is curious:
If they are using the 360º system as explained by Laforge in Datalore than their course is only slightly to the left of the Heavenly Chainmail (yeah, I'm stealing that one ).
Alternatively, Worf may be describing a course correction which was initiated after the E-D's dramatic departure and new heading. In which case, the ship could be in the process of circling back to the Deneb system (for whatever reason)

 

[TwoJakes]

Regardless of a drop to sublight subsequent to separation, at the time of separation the ship was at warp. I think the engineering section remained at warp, and what we are seeing is a "pivet" on the part of the engineering section following separation and that the engineering section is (for a time) traveling backwards, before traveling back to intercept the chainmail.

This way the the engineering section would remain positioned inbetween the chainmail and the saucer, instead of making a large high warp sweeping turn which would leave the saucer exposed.

 

[Timo]

If we are to consider the visual "truth" of the scene at all, we have to acknowledge that the ship (that is, the separated ship at close formation, both halves of it) was already at impulse at the start of the scene, and that the saucer moved at a speed no different from that of the stardrive section...

Actually, their heading is 351 mark 11 according to Worf, just after their rapid departure.

But a heading is always 000 mark 00. Unless it's given in coordinates independent of the starship herself - and in those coordinates, 351.11 might be exactly 180 degrees away from the original heading.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mytran]

If they were co-ordinates, aren't we missing a number? Space is three dimensional, after all! ;-)
And (my mistake) it was actually Data that gave us the "heading" info:

WORF: Velocity warp nine point two.
DATA: Heading three five one mark eleven, sir.
PICARD: Steady on that.

So, is Data just giving a heading in relation to their previous course, in response to an offscreen command from his captain?

 

[Brainsucker]

Just what is the different between science ship and Exploration Ship? Because even the Galaxy Class has a lot of science lab inside her hull. What is the difference of their mission?

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Just what is the different between science ship and Exploration Ship? Because even the Galaxy Class has a lot of science lab inside her hull. What is the difference of their mission?

Based on the context of Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan and what I've seen of the franchise: An exploration vessel will have a wider range to, well, explore. This may be mapping unexplored areas and making first contacts and so forth.

A science vessel will handle certain missions that involve experiments or testing equipment (e.g. Genesis experiments) not necessarily involved in deep space exploration. However, the crew should be able to know first contact procedures if they were to come up in their travels.

 

[Timo]

If they were co-ordinates, aren't we missing a number? Space is three dimensional, after all! ;-)

Well, no - a course in 3D space is just two-dimensional. The same as with a course on a 2D ocean, which can be given by a single parameter, the angle of the course against a reference (say, against compass north).

The TNG Tech Manual explicates that Starfleet uses a cylindrar coordinate system, with two angles and a vertical translation, with either a starship or the (agreed-upon) core of Milky Way at the center. The former is good for giving bearings to targets; the latter is great for headings, but when one inserts the Z coordinate in addition to the two angles, one can also pinpoint locations (which supposedly we only hear happen once, in "We'll Always Have Paris"). Onscreen references would appear to be consistent with that (that is, there are few cases that would be so blatantly at odds with this "system" that we can very well pretend the system is in place).

So, is Data just giving a heading in relation to their previous course, in response to an offscreen command from his captain?

If Data is keeping a "steady" heading that differs from 000.00, the ship is going in circles... Perhaps this was Picard's other cunning maneuver?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Brainsucker]

Based on the context of Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan and what I've seen of the franchise: An exploration vessel will have a wider range to, well, explore. This may be mapping unexplored areas and making first contacts and so forth.

A science vessel will handle certain missions that involve experiments or testing equipment (e.g. Genesis experiments) not necessarily involved in deep space exploration. However, the crew should be able to know first contact procedures if they were to come up in their travels.

But even a pure warship like Defiant can be used to handle a certain mission that involve experiment; Exploration Ship can also be used for that kind of mission. Then why make a type of ship that called a "Science Ship"?

 

[Tomalak]

Presumably because those ships spend time doing other roles. "Science ships" just do research and surveys etc. So USS Grissom can theoretically stay above a planet doing science stuff for months at a time, they don't get called away to patrol the Romulan border or mediate a trade dispute.

 

[Richard Baker]

Personally I think an ideal 'Science Ship' would be a galaxy class saucer section. Park it in orbit, separate and send the star drive section back for a new saucer.
It would make a great orbital platform for long term study.
It already has science labs, a massive shuttlebay and can support nearly a thousand specialists.

 

[Brainsucker]

Personally I think an ideal 'Science Ship' would be a galaxy class saucer section. Park it in orbit, separate and send the star drive section back for a new saucer.
It would make a great orbital platform for long term study.
It already has science labs, a massive shuttlebay and can support nearly a thousand specialists.

You're right

 

[kazemiya]

Nebula is primary federation workhorse for both science and battleship. Depend on her custom modular, nebula could perform as warship in battlecruiser rank. Though not as powerful as her galaxy class cousin, nebula's shield generator are rated at 2,300 MW for normal combat or 4,000 MW for maximum combat performance, (in comparison with max 2,900 MW of Akira's or max 1,500 MW of Defiant's) and with 8 phaser and 2 or 3 torpedo launcher making her a powerful battleship. Despite her design is very much the same as galaxy, her armor are strangely much weaker, though still much more powerful than akira's. Nebula also served as sophisticated science and laboratory vessel, thanks to her multi mission module. So we could savely to say this is Federation's primary workhorse for their heavy duty battle, science, and exploration mission. Also aside from miranda and nebula, there's a Centaur as derivative from Excersior class.

 

[kazemiya]

But even a pure warship like Defiant can be used to handle a certain mission that involve experiment; Exploration Ship can also be used for that kind of mission. Then why make a type of ship that called a "Science Ship"?

Well for that matter i have opinion, i am sorry if i am wrong, when it comes into role af a ship, there is always a certain degree of a mission that could be fulfil by a certain of ship. So despite defiant could perform science, her equipment are far less adequate to fulfil a more complicated phenomenon in the space. In this matter Intrepid class could do better than defiant, and nebula could do better than intrepid. Some science mission might only need standard equipment thus defiant could acomplished it, while the other might need a more advance equipment like intrepid's or a more complex and broader field of science capability like nebula's. Well Federation wont sent 6 defiant working together to accomplish a science phenomenon in a certain area if a single nebula class could accomplished the same task by herself alone isn't? Well a defiant might able to overcome her shortage of scientist or equipment by sending the data to near science base, but it could be deemed very limited and uneffective, i think.

 

[kazemiya]

And for science versus explorer, in my opinion, the explorer ship is pretty much like what Joel Kirk said, the ship must be capabldm to handle unexpected situation both in term of science and tactical, to put it simple ,"the first contact". For example like when enterprise facing iconian virus (science) and borg incursion (tactical). That's why an explorer ussualy more advance (enterprise A, B), bigger and very expensive (enterprise D). (Well i am not sure with enterprise E being a battleship or explorer though). While battleship ussualy more compact and strong against powerful enemy but less capable in handling hostile science phenomenons. in the other side science vessel could handle a more dangerous science phenomenon but they far weaker in direct combat against hostile first contact mission. Well this is what makes star trek universe is very unique then other science fiction film.

 

[Albertese]

Kazemiya, I just know you're going to get a spamming warning... especially for resurrecting a nearly decade old thread just to post three times in a row.

--Alex

 

[B.J.]

Kazemiya, I just know you're going to get a spamming warning... especially for resurrecting a nearly decade old thread just to post three times in a row.

--Alex

I think you're confusing the "Joined" field with the post date, which is below the post text. This thread began less than two months ago.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

"Decade" is Albertese's word for month.

But to be fair, the placement of post date is harder to find than it used to be. It used to be at the top of the post.

 

[Albertese]

"Decade" is Albertese's word for month.

But to be fair, the placement of post date is harder to find than it used to be. It used to be at the top of the post.

I think you're confusing the "Joined" field with the post date, which is below the post text. This thread began less than two months ago.

Yep, I definitely got that confused. Sorry.

Still spamming, though.

--Alex

 

[Richard Baker]

I would have liked to have seen a Miranda class with a sensor pod instead of a weapons pod- it seemed to be a good Explorer with the two large Shuttlebays providing support.
The closest we got was the Soyuz variant (assuming all those long poky things were long range sensors).