Miracle Day Immortality Thoughts

[The Wormhole]

The discussion threads for the Miracle Day episodes so far are filled with questions about how far immortality goes, and what would happen to people in certain hypothetically fatal situations. That's fine, of course those threads are the perfect spot for all things related to discussions of everything that goes on in those episodes.

However, I feel that potential immortality scenarios is a discussion worthy of its own thread. So this thread is for anyone with questions or thoughts on the immortality and its effects. I'll start with something I've been wondering.

Of course, it's been made clear that everyone on Earth has been made immortal. But what about people not on Earth, like those on the International Space Station? Or even, if we were to accept continuity from Doctor Who and SJA, on UNIT's moon base? Did the "Miracle" effect them and make them immortal? And if so, what would happen if they went out in space without a spacesuit? Or is it possible they were left mortal due to being outside Earth?

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

And other humans who have been removed from Earth at this time for whatever reason? Of course, if they weren't mortally injured between now & when this crisis passes, they'd probably never notice.

 

[SG-17]

The discussion threads for the Miracle Day episodes so far are filled with questions about how far immortality goes, and what would happen to people in certain hypothetically fatal situations. That's fine, of course those threads are the perfect spot for all things related to discussions of everything that goes on in those episodes.

However, I feel that potential immortality scenarios is a discussion worthy of its own thread. So this thread is for anyone with questions or thoughts on the immortality and its effects. I'll start with something I've been wondering.

Of course, it's been made clear that everyone on Earth has been made immortal. But what about people not on Earth, like those on the International Space Station? Or even, if we were to accept continuity from Doctor Who and SJA, on UNIT's moon base? Did the "Miracle" effect them and make them immortal? And if so, what would happen if they went out in space without a spacesuit? Or is it possible they were left mortal due to being outside Earth?

Their eyes would be ruined if their head was directly exposed to a vacuum for more than 90 seconds, but the human skin is surprisingly airtight. Gases and liquids wouldn't leak out but the skin would triple in size, kind of like a balloon blowing up, but it wouldn't burst and it wouldn't cause any damage. In fact experiments were done with only having an astronaut's head sealed in a pressure vessel and otherwise being naked in a vacuum and they were perfectly fine. Modern spacesuits are so bulky in order to keep the astronaut's skin from expanding during spacewalks.

 

[DWF]

As with Children Of Earth this story aparently only works if Torchwood exists in a vacuum. You'd think that like COE either Sarah Jane or the Doctor would be there as well.

 

[Sparky]

As with Children Of Earth this story aparently only works if Torchwood exists in a vacuum. You'd think that like COE either Sarah Jane or the Doctor would be there as well.

I can't say anything about Sarah Jane, I havent watched enough of that show to comment. The Doctor however does have a reasonable out. As the Tardis herself mentioned in "The Doctors Wife" The Tardis doesnt always take him where he wants to go, but it does take him where he is needed.

 

[DWF]

As with Children Of Earth this story aparently only works if Torchwood exists in a vacuum. You'd think that like COE either Sarah Jane or the Doctor would be there as well.

I can't say anything about Sarah Jane, I havent watched enough of that show to comment. The Doctor however does have a reasonable out. As the Tardis herself mentioned in "The Doctors Wife" The Tardis doesnt always take him where he wants to go, but it does take him where he is needed.

Don't you think he'd be needed for a crisis on earth?

 

[Mitty]

^Not if the TARDIS checks and discovers that Jack and co fix the problem, which is inevitably what will likely happen (invariably at some cost, though hopefully Jack is fresh out of Grandchildren).

 

[The Wormhole]

^^I don't know. It is possible a decent chunk of Cardiff's population could be related to Jack in some way. Something to think about.

 

[Canadave]

As with Children Of Earth this story aparently only works if Torchwood exists in a vacuum. You'd think that like COE either Sarah Jane or the Doctor would be there as well.

I can't say anything about Sarah Jane, I havent watched enough of that show to comment. The Doctor however does have a reasonable out. As the Tardis herself mentioned in "The Doctors Wife" The Tardis doesnt always take him where he wants to go, but it does take him where he is needed.

Don't you think he'd be needed for a crisis on earth?

Well, there is an argument to be made that the Doctor shouldn't always be needed for a crisis on Earth. How would humanity ever grow strong if he fixed all of the problems that came up?

 

[Skellington]

^ True. Plus, he may already know the outcome and so be unwilling to interfere in the natural course of events.

 

[DWF]

I can't say anything about Sarah Jane, I havent watched enough of that show to comment. The Doctor however does have a reasonable out. As the Tardis herself mentioned in "The Doctors Wife" The Tardis doesnt always take him where he wants to go, but it does take him where he is needed.

Don't you think he'd be needed for a crisis on earth?

Well, there is an argument to be made that the Doctor shouldn't always be needed for a crisis on Earth. How would humanity ever grow strong if he fixed all of the problems that came up?

Earth had four great and bountiful empires and surevived til the end of the universe, somehow I think humanity did just fine in the future.

 

[DWF]

^ True. Plus, he may already know the outcome and so be unwilling to interfere in the natural course of events.

And sometimes like at Pompeii he was a part of history and didn't know it.

 

[Canadave]

Don't you think he'd be needed for a crisis on earth?

Well, there is an argument to be made that the Doctor shouldn't always be needed for a crisis on Earth. How would humanity ever grow strong if he fixed all of the problems that came up?

Earth had four great and bountiful empires and surevived til the end of the universe, somehow I think humanity did just fine in the future.

Time can be rewritten.

 

[DWF]

Well, there is an argument to be made that the Doctor shouldn't always be needed for a crisis on Earth. How would humanity ever grow strong if he fixed all of the problems that came up?

Earth had four great and bountiful empires and surevived til the end of the universe, somehow I think humanity did just fine in the future.

Time can be rewritten.

Except for the Time War.

 

[SG-17]

Well, there is an argument to be made that the Doctor shouldn't always be needed for a crisis on Earth. How would humanity ever grow strong if he fixed all of the problems that came up?

Earth had four great and bountiful empires and surevived til the end of the universe, somehow I think humanity did just fine in the future.

Time can be rewritten.

Not all of it. (The Waters of Mars).

 

[G2309]

Earth had four great and bountiful empires and surevived til the end of the universe, somehow I think humanity did just fine in the future.

Time can be rewritten.

Not all of it. (The Waters of Mars).

They rewrote a lot of Davies who with the time crack making earth forget.

 

[The Wormhole]

Time can be rewritten.

Not all of it. (The Waters of Mars).

They rewrote a lot of Davies who with the time crack making earth forget.

We only know for a fact that two RTD stories were erased by the cracks (The Stolen Earth/Journey's End and The Next Doctor).

 

[Sci]

As with Children Of Earth this story aparently only works if Torchwood exists in a vacuum. You'd think that like COE either Sarah Jane or the Doctor would be there as well.

I can't say anything about Sarah Jane, I havent watched enough of that show to comment. The Doctor however does have a reasonable out. As the Tardis herself mentioned in "The Doctors Wife" The Tardis doesnt always take him where he wants to go, but it does take him where he is needed.

Don't you think he'd be needed for a crisis on earth?

You might as well ask where the Doctor was on 9/11, or during World War II, or the Holocaust, or the invasion of Iraq, or the assassination of Ferdinand, or the Bolshevik Revolution, or the American Civil War, or the rise of slavery in America, or the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, or the attack on Pearl Harbor, or the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the Boston Massacre, or the Kent State Shootings, or King Phillip's War, or the Cultural Revolution, or the Wounded Knee Massacre, or the Rape of Nanking, or the Rwandan Genocide, or... Etc.

The Whoniverse doesn't actually revolve around the Doctor. Even in their world, history is full of horrible, horrible crises in which the Doctor does not intervene.

ETA:

Not all of it. (The Waters of Mars).

They rewrote a lot of Davies who with the time crack making earth forget.

We only know for a fact that two RTD stories were erased by the cracks (The Stolen Earth/Journey's End and The Next Doctor).

And we don't know if they were un-erased after the universe was rebooted.

Also, RTD's notion of there being fixed points in time that can't be changed was again referenced and re-enforced in "Cold Blood" under Moffat.

 

[DWF]

I can't say anything about Sarah Jane, I havent watched enough of that show to comment. The Doctor however does have a reasonable out. As the Tardis herself mentioned in "The Doctors Wife" The Tardis doesnt always take him where he wants to go, but it does take him where he is needed.

Don't you think he'd be needed for a crisis on earth?

You might as well ask where the Doctor was on 9/11, or during World War II, or the Holocaust, or the invasion of Iraq, or the assassination of Ferdinand, or the Bolshevik Revolution, or the American Civil War, or the rise of slavery in America, or the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, or the attack on Pearl Harbor, or the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the Boston Massacre, or the Kent State Shootings, or King Phillip's War, or the Cultural Revolution, or the Wounded Knee Massacre, or the Rape of Nanking, or the Rwandan Genocide, or... Etc.

The Whoniverse doesn't actually revolve around the Doctor. Even in their world, history is full of horrible, horrible crises in which the Doctor does not intervene.

Except for supposed "fixed" points in history but then look at what happened in Pompeii. And the Doctor has meddled with history in the past and put on trial for it, twice in fact.

 

[Whofan]

I don't think he really changed any historical points in either trial, really. In Trial of a Time Lord, he was mainly a scapegoat for the high council who had moved Earth/Ravalox (I'm guessing they moved it back again by the time of "End of the World" or else erased that whole thing.)