Minecraft

[TheGodBen]

I found the fanboyism very interesting. First everyone was confused, then they sided with the Yogscast, then they sided with Notch, then they sided with the Yogscast again. It effectively showed how people's opinions can be swayed using just a few words. It was like a validation of the ideas put forth in Life of Brian.

As for the Yogscast, their best stuff was in the beginning when they were actually playing the game, now it's mostly custom maps and stuff like that. I don't see the point of playing Minecraft if you can't place or destroy blocks, you're just playing a really buggy adventure game.

 

[Peak]

I agree in part. I do love the CTM-style maps, though (Complete The Monument, most often 16 pieces of wool) pioneered by Vechs: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/191908-ctmcollection-☠-vechs-super-hostile-series-☠/ There you can break blocks and do whatever you want to succeed.

Starting up 2 of them on my Youtube-channel now when 1.0 finally are out (that makes 4 series totally, the two CTM-maps, my regular "Let's Play" and my "Hardcore"-playthrough (is on my second world there after meeting a skeleton spawner in a ravine at the end of episode 1 of my first season.. )

 

[Owain Taggart]

Eh, to me it comes across like Yogscast felt entitled to something. Personally I've never been a fan of theirs. I felt their style was annoying with the shrill voices. They should be thanking Notch that Minecraft has made them famous. At least he started a Con in Vegas for fans to gather. From what I gather, they were teed off that they weren't being paid for attending. I'm sure anyone would say that they did this willingly and weren't dragged off to attend. I'm sure this incident has made Notch reconsider about having another one in the future.

 

[Peak]

I have no thoughts on the matter myself. Yogscast may be entitled idiots (after all, not the first time fame have gotten too much for anyone), or there may be an misunderstanding or something.

What I don't like is the escalation the fanboys (on all sides) makes it. They do make it a lot worse (after all, I don't think the first, or the second, tweet is especially inflaming.)

Notch shouldn't have said anything at all of course, but I do get the feeling that he had to apologize (and he didn't say who they were in that first tweet, he just apologized and the co-founder of the company agreed on that tweet). And then the "fans" have to inflame everything.

I must admit I would really laugh if everything just was a big troll (from both sides) for the next "Shadow of Israphel" where Notch (the real Notch) turns out to be the big bad or something. It's quite strange that Yogscast have to make a video response after all, and have to have several days to make it.

 

[Cutter John]

I was going to mention the Yogscast thing a couple days ago, but wasn't sure if anyone else here watches them.

I guess I'm a semi fan. They tend to be a little too silly for me a lot of the time, though I still enjoy their adventure map let's play vids.
I've never gotten the impression though that they felt entitlled, to anything or had attitudes. Hell they even did that goofy interview clip with Notch were they just geeked at each other for twenty minutes. So to be honest, my theory is that they're all just pranking the community, and that when they finally release a statement, it'll be something along the lines of "Gotcha!" Even if it is true, I'm inclined to blame it on too much to drink and not enough sleep over a con weekend.

The one unfortunate thing about all this is the fan war thats broken out. It sucks that its taking Yogscast this long to get home and tell their side. I just hope they aren't met at the airport by a bunch of hostile fans.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I think I've seen a few Yogscasts but I have no dog in this fight, so to speak. Kind of silly to think even the Minecraft community has politics now.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Yeah, no kidding. It seems a little above the belt, you know? I mean, there's always been squabbling and complaining on the official forums, but nothing like this, and it's kind of sad to see that it's happened, but I guess on the other hand, it's what happens when you make yourself a public presence.

 

[Cutter John]

Simon and Lewis finally come through with a very calm, and reasonable response.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/mnau9/yogscast_response_to_notchs_twitterings/

And a Youtube clip to go with. Yep, a couple of real stuck-up douchebags here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HddMANh3Xis


Its starting to sound like perhaps Notch got some bad information about what went down. Heres hoping he's man enough to admit he made a mistake.

But remember kids, never post on the internet when you're exausted or hungover.

 

[TheGodBen]

I agree in part. I do love the CTM-style maps, though (Complete The Monument, most often 16 pieces of wool) pioneered by Vechs: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/191908-ctmcollection-%E2%98%A0-vechs-super-hostile-series-%E2%98%A0/ There you can break blocks and do whatever you want to succeed.

Yeah, those are good. I've been watching Guude and BdoubleO recently and those maps feel closer to the spirit of Minecraft as you can play them however you want. I considered giving them a go myself, but I realised that watching people die over and over again is fun, but doing it myself would be infuriating.

Eh, to me it comes across like Yogscast felt entitled to something.

I can see both sides to this. On the one hand, Mojang were making a loss on the event, so if the Yogscast did ask for money to show up then it's a little iffy. On the other hand, they are the biggest celebrities in the MC community, and celebrities don't show up to sci-fi conventions without being paid, so it's not that unusual. At the very least they have a case for wanting some compensation for the flights and hotel room.

Also, while Minecraft was already a hit when they started playing it, it's more than possible that their absurdly popular videos, which frequently reach Youtube's front page, have helped sell a couple of hundred thousand more accounts. It's a mutually beneficial relationship for both parties and it seems weird that Notch would be willing to sacrifice that, as well as the goodwill of his fanbase, based off of hearsay.

 

[Owain Taggart]

It's starting to sound like there was a lot of signal-to-noise ratio, likely the cause of the confusion, at least that's the way the apology that Cutter posted came across.

 

[Cutter John]

Plus it was Mojang s first time running a convention, and the Yogscast first panel. So I'm sure both sides did things wrong. Mix in too much partying and lack of sleep, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Anyone whos been to many cons knows that things rarely go smoothly the first time.

 

[Peak]

I have no problem with either Notch or Yogcast in this "controversy". I wansn't there, I have no idea what happened or not happened.

The "fans" was quite vicious though. On both sides. I thought that the thread about Lydia/MinecraftChick on Reddit was quite disqusting, to be frank.

Yeah, I saw Guudes test on how many silverfish a server can handle.. Although "Nightmare Realm" isn't the most interesting map Vechs have made (the favourite is still Legendary). I will start my LP of Super Hostile 1: Sea of Flame II tomorrow, I think. I did a bit of Sunburn Islands on 1.7, but stopped when 1.8 came out in fear of Endermen destroying the tunnels under water. One glass block missing, and there's drowning ahead.. They should be nerfed enough now to not destroy the maps, though.

Anyone without a life (i. e. no one around here, I assume.. )should check out Cilantrogamer on twitch.tv. He streams (mostly) Minecraft about 40 hours/week.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Yeah, exactly Cutter. Things never go smoothly the first time around, as it's the first time it happens and you never know what to expect, especially in terms of audience.

I'm amused by the fact that they brought their own security though.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Is it true people were slagging MinecraftChick about her weight? Jesus, some people have no class.

 

[TheGodBen]

Some people did, but they were largely downvoted. The most upvoted comments focused on why they felt she was unsuitable to represent Minecraft, as you can read here. I have no idea who she is as I've never seen one of her videos, so I have no axes to grind, but it is highly questionable that someone with no experience was hired to organise a convention based off of the fact that she made Minecraft videos on Youtube.

Basically, between this, the Yogscast thing, the goings on at the Deadmaus party, and the fact that the convention appears to have been poorly organised in general, Minecon probably wont be remembered as a roaring success.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Yeah, makes me wonder if Notch is regretting the Con and if he won't decided to have another one in the future.

And I'm not sure who that girl is or what her involvement is, but it seems to me it would be far more likely that she didn't get the job based on videos, but rather made videos due to her interest in Minecraft that just happened to be a consequence in her getting picked to organize it. We don't really know her background or if she's had any skill in organizing something like this before, do we? Sounds like many people are being a bit harsh with her.

 

[Peak]

I don't know. No one seems to be complaining in their vlogs and such. I feel it is more "they talked crap about Yogscast, therefore Minecon sucked!"

 

[Cutter John]

I figured it was a one-time event though just to celebrate the big 1.0 release.

I think if there are plans to make it an annual event though, Mojang needs to hand the running over to some company or group that has a few years experience running cons.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Yeah, so in other words, if it was only a one-time thing, they likely didn't know who to go to organize it and figured it wouldn't make much difference. I'm likely to think there'll be another one to celebrate 2.0 and then maybe they'll spend money on a good organizer. Though it comes to be said that it really does matter about experience, but it's experience that can't be gathered any other way than running cons. There's a yearly convention I go to, and it's run and organized by the club itself, with no outside organization running things. They've been doing that since the 1920's. The only thing they do hire is food concession and security. So, in a way, since the club has been doing this for so long, they've become their own organizers, It probably helps that this is an outdoor convention and that the club owns the land and knows what exactly what to do with it every year.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Well, I did an MCMap render of the world because I was curious to see what the Titanic looked like in it. Kind of hard to appreciate the sense of scale when you're actually working on it and not seeing the world around it. But man, it sure is mindbogglingly huge.

Here it is in respect to the town as a point of comparison:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tricorder/Minecraft/titanic-town-overview.png

Just making it a link instead of embedding it because it's a large file.