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"Mind your Captain's chair, Mr. Sulu"

I liked Sulu's command style just fine. A bit authoritarian and brusque but it suited Takei nicely (I wonder if he was channelling some authority or parental figure he'd known previously, it had that kind of feel to it).

And I loved seeing him get his own ship in TUC. A rare instance of their letting the crew's lives and careers evolve in a half-believable way instead of trying to contrive and shoehorn them all into their accustomed places for sentimentality's sake.
 
I liked Sulu's command style just fine. A bit authoritarian and brusque but it suited Takei nicely (I wonder if he was channelling some authority or parental figure he'd known previously, it had that kind of feel to it).

And I loved seeing him get his own ship in TUC. A rare instance of their letting the crew's lives and careers evolve in a half-believable way instead of trying to contrive and shoehorn them all into their accustomed places for sentimentality's sake.

Along those lines, I must say that I always did wonder why Chekov went back to his old navigator duties after being first officer of the Reliant.

It might have been interesting if Chekov were Sulu's first officer, possibly even Uhura in Rand's place. If nothing else, it might have given Kirk's Enterprise the feeling indeed of being "like a house with all the children gone". That might have worked, being the last movie, and all.

Just a thought.
 
It's not exactly the most subtle reference to Chernobyl but Rand was an idiot for asking that question.

Not necessarily. I don't know what the protocols for such things are, but possibly the comms officer needs permission to transmit an unscheduled report.
 
I liked Sulu's command style just fine. A bit authoritarian and brusque but it suited Takei nicely (I wonder if he was channelling some authority or parental figure he'd known previously, it had that kind of feel to it).

And I loved seeing him get his own ship in TUC. A rare instance of their letting the crew's lives and careers evolve in a half-believable way instead of trying to contrive and shoehorn them all into their accustomed places for sentimentality's sake.

Along those lines, I must say that I always did wonder why Chekov went back to his old navigator duties after being first officer of the Reliant.

It might have been interesting if Chekov were Sulu's first officer, possibly even Uhura in Rand's place. If nothing else, it might have given Kirk's Enterprise the feeling indeed of being "like a house with all the children gone". That might have worked, being the last movie, and all.

Just a thought.

Maybe when he faced an inquiry for negligence during Khan's escape from Genesis, his career was somewhat limited.
 
I was always under the impression that Sulu was beloved by his crew and he gives them "tough love" from time to time, and that it's not just him being a jackwad.
 
It's not exactly the most subtle reference to Chernobyl but Rand was an idiot for asking that question.

Not necessarily. I don't know what the protocols for such things are, but possibly the comms officer needs permission to transmit an unscheduled report.
I agree completely. She clearly wants to report it, as it's something big coming out of the Klingon Empire, and she's asking for permission to do so. Sulu is just jacked up from the event and responds in a less than protocol manner.
 
Not to mention his "Are you kidding?" reply to a legitimate question about contacting Starfleet concerning the Praxis explosion.

It always seemed like a strange and silly question to me. Why wouldn't they report it?

As he also said in "Yesteryear", "Let the regulations be damned!"

"Flashback."

My favourite piece of Captain Sulu wisdom is from that episode; "You're absolutely right, but you're also absolutely wrong."

Ach! "Flashback" That was it. Lol! Thank you. :)

And yes, I loved that line too.
 
I don't know...maybe this was one of those bad days for Sulu, as "Do you have a hearing problem, Mister?" is something I could picture Kirk saying under the right circumstances.

He was also addressing a very junior officer who just questioned his orders, I think a LITTLE snippiness is actually appropriate. Its not like he leapt out of bed and screamed at him.

In the VGR episode he also deals reasonably with Tuvok's questioning, quite publicly, of his orders. Sure he is a bit off, but Tuvok was actually way out of line.

In the real military, a very junior officer who publicly questions an officer as senior as the Captain would get ripped to shreds, possibly literally.
 
Not to mention his "Are you kidding?" reply to a legitimate question about contacting Starfleet concerning the Praxis explosion.


That little exchange is the worst part of the movie. I realise Whitney and Takei are beloved by fandom but the way they delivered those two lines to each other was so flat and... Well lets just say I like to ignore that 2 seconds. It plays to be that Rand is stupid and Sulu is asking her are you stupid?
I mean what's the last time we saw Rand do something, yes, that's right she scrambled two officers to death. Yes it wasn't her fault but that can really hurt your confidence even if the admiral yells it wasn't your fault.

I don't know...maybe this was one of those bad days for Sulu, as "Do you have a hearing problem, Mister?" is something I could picture Kirk saying under the right circumstances.

Kirk would have said it with either more intensity or more humour. I think the problem is the acting, not the line.

I agree, as per what I just said above in this post. It just came off not as good as it should have. That line wasn't as bad as the first exchange.

I know I saw Flashback, it was one of the only episodes of Voyager I watched, but as for what Sulu said to whom, I can't remember. All I remember was being super happy to see Sulu and Kang in action, even for a little bit. I also liked how it was more a game of manuevering and strategy than drive up to each other and shoot. I would have loved to see more, certainly instead of what we got.

I wonder, what was the point of that exchange, really. Did the writers think Rand is stupid and we're supposed to as well? Why couldn't she have replied "Shall I contact StarFleet now?" implying does he want to call them immediately or wait to analyze some data or even just said something less commital like "Orders Captain?" Saying "Do we report this, sir?" seems like there's doubt that they should. Even if she said "Shall I report this, sir?" it sounds a little better to me. I think to Do we report this, sir? Sulu could have said "No shit, Dick Tracy" and it would have been justified. Well, maybe that's too much, but "Are you kidding?" just took a dumb moment and made it worse.


Also, does anyone remember the time Kip Kroker got someone to command? If you do I think you'll see why I've asked.
 
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IMHO in order to understand Sulu as a commanding officer, you really have to understand George Takei and the story of his desire to want a bigger role in Star Trek.

So as TWOK was being written Takei started lobbying Bennett hard for Sulu for some kind of command position stating that (and I'm referencing his book here, don't bother reading it if you haven't it sucks) Sulu is supposed to be this brilliant Starfleet who was at the top of his class, yet after 15 years he's still just taking orders from Kirk on where to drive the Enterprise .

Whether it was meant to become a true part of the film and canon, or whether they just did it to get Takei to shut the hell up, they filmed a scene (which was ultimately cut from the film) where Kirk informs Sulu that he is going to be taking command of the Excelsior once the Enterprise's training cruise is finished (Never mind you have to be a XO for years in real life before becoming a CO, but whatever). Takei says how this delighted him at first but quickly turns sour and he blames it all on his favorite target....William Shatner.

First he said he believe that Shatner didn't put any effort into the scene and just mailed it in because the scene didn't center around Kirk. He doesn't get too specific as to what exactly Shatner did or didn't do other than to say he played it without any emotion. I haven't heard Shatner or anyone else ever give their comments on the scene so it's a one sided story Takei tells which can't be confirmed or disputed.

It seems to me though that if Shatner wasn't giving his best performance than it was up to Nick Meyer, as director, to get him to do so and say we're not calling it a wrap until I'm satisfied with this scene. Obviously Meyer thought it was good enough at some point. It remains a mystery if Meyer they got a good take, or he knew it wasn't going to be in the film so it really didn't matter and just called a day. Takei doesn't seem to know either if the scene was ever meant to be included or not.

So the scene is cut from the final film and Takei is convinced Shatner was the main reason it was taken out, although he doesn't have any real proof to back up this statement and, again, no one else that I'm aware of has backed up Takei's accusations. So you basically have a "He said.......no one else from the other side has said anything" situation.

What does seem to be clear is that having this scene cut really burns Takei's ass. I understand why someone might be upset at something like this being left out after he fought so hard to get in and it looked like he'd won, Takei though REALLY takes it to the extreme. The way he carries on about it you would think that Starfleet was a real organization and he had been cheated out of a real promotion, pay raise and command of a brand new Federation starship, instead of some fictional promotion. Or that Paramount was getting ready to spin off a new series called Star Trek: The Adventure of Captain Sulu. And it just wasn't him being on a different bridge set giving fake orders to actors that he'd lost.

Takei also doesn't seem to understand that, had he become Captain of the Excelsior at TSFS it wouldn't have made any sense at all because he would either have to:
1. Give up command almost immediately in order to help Kirk and McCoy steal the Enterprise and get to Genesis.
OR
2. Become the commanding officer and he, not Styles, would have had to been the one to try and chase down and capture the Enterprise and he would have looked like an ass when the Enterprise goes to warp and the Excelsior breaks down because Kirk and co. outsmarted him.

Also if option #2 was how it went I have no idea how he would be in TVH, I guess they could have reunited him somehow in TFF, but if he becomes commander either he can't keep it for long or he has to betray his friends, look like a jerk to the fans and possibly be written out of TVH.

Of course he is eventually given command of Excelsior in TUC and it seems that he REALLY harbored resentment since TWOK about not getting it sooner. I clearly remember him in a interview where the interviewer said how he has his own ship in this film and Takei's reply is something like "It's about time, it's long overdue and it feels GREAT" and he says it with a GREAT amount of enthusiasm and joy, much more so than you'd expect from an actor just talking about a new role.

So based on the evidence I've seen it looks like all the world like becoming a starship captain on the show was something that was VERY personal to Takei and not just about switching to a different role in the franchise.

With this in mind IMHO I think Takei decided that he was going to captain his own way. He wasn't going to be the loveable and good natured helmsman we'd known all these years. And he SURE AS HELL wasn't going to be some dramatic, free spirited but generally affable, scene eater like Shatner was. So I believe he made the conscious decision to take on the gruff, no nonsense and even a little mean at times Sulu that he became as captain.

When Jellico took command of the Enterprise-D he was a much different captain than Picard. He was curt, no nonsense and wanted to micromanage everything and didn't care about what other thought about his style and he wasn't going to be like Picard just because that's what the crew was used to. Of course this was done on purpose to give such a contrast to Picard and have conflict between him and characters like Riker.

Takei though almost seems like he decided to make himself a real life Jellico on a fictional TV series. I have no proof of this but I strongly believe that Takei, as a person not an actor, decided once we was written in as captain that he had worked long and hard to get this and he was going to do it his way and not model himself after Kirk or any other captain. If anyone involved in Star Trek, or the fans, didn't like his characterization.....tough shit.

I don't know George Takei and won't pretend to be an expert on what makes him tick. I'm just playing Sherlock Holmes and trying to deduce the unknown from the known and, from what I've heard and seen over the years, being a captain on Star Trek was a very personal thing to him. Why? no idea. Maybe it's an ego thing and he wanted to, at least on screen, be the equal of his good buddy William Shatner.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong and he certainly wouldn't be the first actor to get tempermental over what seems trivial to outsiders. I do think it seems somewhat extreme how he feels about it and wanting to bring Shatner into the whole situation, but whatever.

I just think when you see Captain Sulu on screen you're seeing what George Takei considers to be, not just a role, but his ultimate professional victory and he is going to celebrate it however he feels like it
 
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fonzob1;10734862He established a pattern of this behavior when he reacted in his quarters too said:
He established a pattern with maybe 10 minutes total screen time, at the end of his first mission as captain, during which a planet exploded, his ship was subjected to a bizarre energy wave that tossed it like a pillow, his friends' ship was threatened, his mentor and a friend were tried by the enemy and given the death penalty, but then sent to what essentially was a concentration camp, war threatened the Federation and a conspiracy was shown to exist within the highest levels of Starfleet? With unknown assassins God knows where, and an unknown alien superweapon?

I think he may be pardoned for being a bit snappish when an underling came to his quarters and woke him up, rather than waiting, or reporting it to the first officer, or second officer, or third -- or observing the chain of command at all -- or instead communicating with him by ship's comm system.

For God's sake, even the Federation president proved to be a bit persnickety. I think we may forgive Sulu.

What are you like right when somebody wakes you up?
 
I'm fine with Sulu's command style. Ship captains are under absolutely no obligation to adopt the group-hug-let's-all-sing-kumbaya approach.

whether Meyer gave Takei freedom to create that style, or directed him to that manner, I don't know.

Yes, Rand's question was a bit "duh!", but I took no objection to Sulu's response. In my opinion, his gruffness with Lt Ialwayswantedtobeonstartrek Slater was due to him off-handedly questioning his "Sorry, don't know" answer to Star Fleet. It does seem clear to me that his crew respects him enough to knowingly (some anyway) let him lead them into not following Star Fleet orders to the letter
 
... I just think when you see Captain Sulu on screen you're seeing what George Takei considers to be, not just a role, but his ultimate professional victory and he is going to celebrate it however he feels like it

I don't know if you're right, but it's an impressively argued theory!
 
... I just think when you see Captain Sulu on screen you're seeing what George Takei considers to be, not just a role, but his ultimate professional victory and he is going to celebrate it however he feels like it

I don't know if you're right, but it's an impressively argued theory!

Like I said I'm just trying to fill in the unknown from what I've learned over the years. Everything I've heard and seen leads me to believe very strongly that this was a very personal thing to Takei.

And it's mainly his own words that seem to back this up, not Shatner looking to badmouth him. I only wish that Meyer, Shatner, Bennett or Nimoy would give their version of the story to compare but as far as I've been able to tell none of them have ever gone public with what the deal was.

If you'd told me this was the story behind the scene when TUC was released I'd have said "No way, Takei's not that kind of guy". But I think most people would agree that some of his more diva like qualities have become much more visible in his later years and his feelings about Shatner seem to run deeper than people realized.

I could be wrong, but there are strong signs that this is a distinct possibility.
 
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And it's mainly his own words that seem to back this up, not Shatner looking to badmouth him. I only wish that Meyer, Shatner, Bennett or Nimoy would give their version of the story to compare but as far as I've been able to tell none of them have ever gone public with what the deal was.

Shatner does mention it briefly here, at 2:25 into the video.
 
The only thing I truly found odd about Sulu's command style was that he was taking a cup of tea in fine china in the captain's chair. That does create something of an air about him. It certainly makes it clear who is captain and who are the crew. Picard didn't even drink his Earl Grey in fine china while sitting in his captain's chair overseeing the bridge. The times we saw Kirk drinking coffee, it was out of a plastic cup.

(I hope he didn't slurp his tea. Woe unto any one of the bridge crew who snickered or looked bothered if he did.)
 
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