So lines on a map mean something?
Military Tribunal or Criminal Court?
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So lines on a map mean something?
TheLonelySquire
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My country is more than that. I'm truly sorry that you don't feel the same way.
Are you purposely being obtuse?
I'd love to see what the lines on a map actually meant to him if the U.S was ever invaded....
Ah, but don't you see, that's different. Because it's America.
Just as two towers bombed and several thousand people killed is different from the thousands and thousands of buildings knocked down and people killed during America's bombing/invasions of, say, Grenada (completely unprovoked), Vietnam (highly questionable), the Dominican Republic (questionable), Panama (questionable), Iraq (unjustified in the extreme)....
As President Jose Ramos-Horta said on the USA: "They even went to war in Angola to stop the spread of communism there and bombed the hell out of Nicaragua, El Salvador... and yet they were supplying weapons, aircrafts to Indonesia, which was bombing East Timor. One of my own sisters was killed by a US-supplied aircraft."
When Americans die, however, this is an outrage of such proportions half the Middle East has to be flattened, due process must be destroyed, torture camps must be set up, freedoms removed, and certain Americans (looking at you, TheLonelySquire) seriously suggest dropping nuclear bombs on a country because the one man responsible is there at the time. The hypocrisy is astounding, and the fact that so many Americans insist on tearing up every right, freedom, liberty and protection under law in the Western world is...well...I can't describe it.
but the real irony as pointed out in another time/another place is the while people jump up and down about Iranian sponsored terrorism they overlook that there's probably just as much money poured into terrorism from Bin Laden's home land. Yep lots of money of flows to terrorist organisations from Saudi Araibia but you know I never hear calls to bomb that place...
TheLonelySquire
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Look at me all you want. I have no problem with nuking UBL.
Look at me all you want. I have no problem with nuking UBL.
*sigh*. So if an internationally wanted criminal were found to be located in the USA, would you be happy with citizens of Russia or France or the UK saying "let's nuke 'em" and happily taking out entire American cities or even states to get at him?
"Nuking UBL" means nuking whole communities/nations. If this is American attitude towards the rest of the world, gods help us all.
When will you take responsibility and admit that the big threat to world peace and security is your nation? A nation where citizens call for nuclear war to destroy one criminal.
Nuclear. War.
Nuclear. War.
Is this sinking in?
Because were you to "nuke UBL", the entire world would tear the USA to the ground, and be entirely justified in doing so.
Nuclear bombs. Nuking other nations to get at a criminal.
My gods.
You see, he's cool. He uses the super-secret transliteration used by intelligence agencies, not the mundane one used by normal people. That's because he's super-special.
No, really, he doesn't care. Do you think that your indignation would touch him? If they're not American, they are worth shit. And even then, you have to be the right kind of American. Not a smelly half-Mexican, for sure. Or liberal. Or gay. Or atheist. Why, they are not really citizens anyway...
Seems to be trouble with scope. Very apparent he simply means to take him out.
I like what Michael Graham has to say about the a military tribunal and the NY Post article Bay what? Guantanamo eyed for 9/11 trial:
But what's an American after all? Don't forget from words above that a country is merely arbitary lines drawn on a map.
Oh and the Usama? Well that's just the correct Arabic version - Osama is the Anglicized version.
Then your avatar is oddly appropriate.
TheLonelySquire
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Ah. Thanks for informing me.
Look at me all you want. I have no problem with nuking UBL.
*sigh*. So if an internationally wanted criminal were found to be located in the USA, would you be happy with citizens of Russia or France or the UK saying "let's nuke 'em" and happily taking out entire American cities or even states to get at him?
"Nuking UBL" means nuking whole communities/nations. If this is American attitude towards the rest of the world, gods help us all.
When will you take responsibility and admit that the big threat to world peace and security is your nation? A nation where citizens call for nuclear war to destroy one criminal.
Nuclear. War.
Nuclear. War.
Is this sinking in?
Because were you to "nuke UBL", the entire world would tear the USA to the ground, and be entirely justified in doing so.
Nuclear bombs. Nuking other nations to get at a criminal.
My gods.
1. If the USA were harboring AND supporting a mass murderer I could certainly see the rest of the world having an issue with it. We're not and we don't. We seek them out and hold them accountable.
2. Liberating nations and spreading freedom is not a threat to world peace. Has the USA made mistakes? Sure. However, our track record is that we help people and we are the beacon of freedom for people across the globe. Don't agree? Sorry. We are. That's why people are still coming here by the millions.
3. France? Please. They wouldn't have freedom if not for the USA. Russia? Please. Another place where we've spread freedom.
4. "My Gods"?
TheLonelySquire
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Oh, it's appropriate alright! Give me a President with an itchy finger anyday. Ahh, the days of "nucular"! Coming soon to an administration near you.
Living in ≠ Harboring
And it is this ignorance, arrogance, nationalism, refusal to accept responsibility and general we're-better-than-everyone-else attitude that causes the rest of the planet to grind their teeth at Americans. Ask many of the people of all those countries I listed for you if America is "a beacon of freedom" and "helps". But you won't listen, will you? As far as you're concerned, America is perfect, everywhere else imperfect and lesser.
I'm sorry, but when choosing between my comments in this thread and yours, I'm guessing most non-Americans will come down on "my side" of this. Not that that matters. Being non-Americans, unable to bask in the glory and light that shines from Uncle Sam's posterior and sets some small socialist nation on fire, they are presumably discounted from your estimation of worth anyway.
Americans like you refuse to accept responsibility for your nation's aggression, all the deaths and destruction it caused, yet you expect the world to cry foul whenever your people are on the receiving end.
Compulsory conscription for all your sons. Death penalty. Creationism considered equal to evolutionary theory in many areas. Calls to bomb other countries with nukes. Oh yes, beacon of civilization you Americans are.
Your response will of course be a proud "yes". I don't know why I bother. I'd just like to think maybe we can prevent some sort of devastating conflict, hopefully by trying, futile as it may be, to convince some Americans that, contrary to what they're taught, they are not better than anyone else.
Again, I'm British. We know the attitude, because we had it. Please, please, LEARN from it.
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One thing that should be mentioned in here is that just because a case is being handled by a military tribunal does not mean that they will not have due process and all that fun stuff. As a matter of fact, they might be better off having military personal serving as the jury as opposed to new yorkers.
Fine. Move to Iran.
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