Kirk's statements could easilly be a figure of speech. But people like Mudd and Gaila owning their own moons doesn't mean that the majority of people care about money. There are plenty of societies in present day Earth that don't care about money at all, and the vast majority don't care about the endless accumulation of wealth, rather spending their time on more productive things.
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Kirk's statements could easilly be a figure of speech. But people like Mudd and Gaila owning their own moons doesn't mean that the majority of people care about money. There are plenty of societies in present day Earth that don't care about money at all, and the vast majority don't care about the endless accumulation of wealth, rather spending their time on more productive things.
I mean it's a terrible episode, but Mudd's Women does make a lot of the miners being rich. Doesn't one of them make a a whole speech to the miner she's gonna marry how she's gonna be vain and selfish and greedy and how he will love her for it, or something?
I agree that even TOS shows a society were money isn't as much of a factor anymore, at least for the crews of Starships, but it does portray at the very least inter-Federation economy (I think the guy Uhura buys the Tribble form was a human?)
I'm also alright with the idea that they in TNG might even still have a credit system for luxuries and pleasure, while all their basic needs are met. That could also be true for TOS (the miners were from a frontier world, and I think so were the women in Mudd's...well, let's call it "care" and Mudd himself) so their way of living might not reflect that of the core worlds.
I feel sure that trading in women would not be accepted within the Federation. The miners were outside the Federation because that's where the dilithium was and that's where they could charge full market rate for it, while tolerating a lonely life.
Incidents like haggling over the price of the tribbles are what make me think there must be some sort of money, even if it's just for luxuries. Station K-7 is clearly administered as part of the Federation.
Incidents like haggling over the price of the tribbles are what make me think there must be some sort of money, even if it's just for luxuries. Station K-7 is clearly administered as part of the Federation.
We know there are humans, and indeed entire human colonies, living outside the federation, let alone human-looking aliens (Maripose, Angel One, Rutia IV)
Both K-7 and DS9 administered as part of the federation. Doesn't mean that Quark was a Federation citizen.
Both K-7 and DS9 administered as part of the federation. Doesn't mean that Quark was a Federation citizen.
No, DS9 is Bajoran. Usually the Bajoran government leaves it up to Sisko to run it in Federation fashion, but there are several times that he has been overruled by the Bajoran government when they feel strongly about something. The magistrate is Bajoran.
The station economy seems to be a hybrid. People pay the merchants along the promenade for what they get, but since the machinery is maintained by O'Brien and the station engineering crews they have low overhead. You can probably get as much turkey loaf and salad at the replomat as you want for no charge, but if you want nonreplicated gagh and a bottle of Chateau Picard I'm sure you need to pay for it somehow.
Even on Earth, I'm sure everyone has a good enough apartment, possibly in a tower. But if you want a mansion overlooking the surf, well, there's not enough beachfront property for everyone and somehow they need to resolve who gets it. Call it money or call it luxury credits. I doubt if it's entirely inheritance.
The station economy seems to be a hybrid. People pay the merchants along the promenade for what they get, but since the machinery is maintained by O'Brien and the station engineering crews they have low overhead. You can probably get as much turkey loaf and salad at the replomat as you want for no charge, but if you want nonreplicated gagh and a bottle of Chateau Picard I'm sure you need to pay for it somehow.
Even on Earth, I'm sure everyone has a good enough apartment, possibly in a tower. But if you want a mansion overlooking the surf, well, there's not enough beachfront property for everyone and somehow they need to resolve who gets it. Call it money or call it luxury credits. I doubt if it's entirely inheritance.
Evidence:
Emmisary said:
We see that K-7 is administrated, perhaps by the federation (not clear who Mr Lurry works for), doesn't mean it's owned by the federation. Perhaps the difference between "Starbase" and "Deep Space" is who owns the station. Indeed K-7 is certainly not administered by starfleet, so to expect everyone on there (including Jones and the Barman) to be Federation citizens, or operating under Federation rules and economies, seems a stretch.
Baris was identified as the Federation Undersecretary of Agricultural Affairs in that quadrant and felt comfortable storing the infamous quadro-triticale on the station and calling the Enterprise to defend it with a distress call. I don't think he'd be doing that if it wasn't a completely Federation station.
Also, when the Klingons turned up, Captain Koloth said without contradiction that K-7 was required to permit the Klingons shore leave under the Organian Peace Treaty. The Organian Treaty was between the Federation and the Klingons and wouldn't be binding on any other civilization.
Also, when the Klingons turned up, Captain Koloth said without contradiction that K-7 was required to permit the Klingons shore leave under the Organian Peace Treaty. The Organian Treaty was between the Federation and the Klingons and wouldn't be binding on any other civilization.
New Sydney from Ds9 was another human colony outside of the Federation; Starfleet had no jurisdiction there, Ezri's family ran a mining business and the Orion Syndicate had a presence there.
But in Voyage Home Kirk says they don't use $ in the future, and doesn't know how much is a lot.
I don’t use cash now, and I don’t know if $10 was a lot for dinner in 1930, let alone $1 in 1730
The movies were already made with a different creative concept in mind than TOS.
I've always had the infinitely less interesting interpretation that when Kirk says the Federation has no money, he means they have no currency. They're on a credit based system.
In the 80s that would have been a revolutionary idea. Now? Not so much.
Note that Jake asks if they take Federation credits.
In the 80s that would have been a revolutionary idea. Now? Not so much.
Note that Jake asks if they take Federation credits.
