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Might be adding a 12-year-old daughter to my family.

Guartho

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Here's the setup. Last month my wife's uncle died. He was her mother's twin brother. He had a myriad of health issues and since my wife and I started dating 7 years ago I always heard "*Uncle's name* probably won't be around in 6 months.

His 2nd wife and mother of his youngest child (a daughter) died when she was very young. His oldest daughter, about our age, sort of took on the roll of the maternal figure for youngest daughter. But around Christmas 2003 oldest daughter, while living in another state, was brutally murdered in an attempt to steal her unborn baby.

This brings us up to last month when her father (wife's uncle) died. Even though he'd been on borrowed times for years he left no will. In fact, he didn't even leave a note. He'd told my mother-in-law verbally that he wanted her to take care of youngest daughter. Well, father-in-law is kind of a dick. He's very self-centered and impatient so no one wants her to be stuck with him.

Now, she has a lot of baggage. In addition to the baggage one would expect from all that I posted above she has some more just cuz. Wife's uncle was not exactly the most enlightened and patient parent in the world anyway. He also was very dependent on Youngest daughter in very real ways. She'd take a list and money and go do grocery shopping, get medications even, etc. She had to know how to handle various emergency first aid situations that could have arised with him.

Like most kids as she grew up she'd test her limits. Well, sickly as he was it was pretty easy to wear him down. She's a 12-year-old girl, but she still throws tantrums and in many ways has about a 1st grade maturity level despite having had some very grown-up responsibilities.

So anyway she's stayed with all the young families in the family and we're the only ones left. The others have all decided they don't want to take her in. We have her tonight for the first time. We'll have her for at least a couple of days. If we don't take her she'll be living with mother-in-law. Mother-in-law has stated privately that if father-in-law wants to leave because of this child then he'll just have to leave. (This is a pretty impressive indicator of her commitment to her since she didn't leave him after an affair and 28 years of general dickishness)

Right now we're proceeding with the assumption that we're not going to take her and for the first time I feel like it's our choice whether we do or not. It's quite a relief (there's a lot of subtle pressure and maneuverings from those that don't want her, but want her to go someplace good.)

Privately I feel that we are going to make her a part of our family, but we'll see how the next few days go. We must make sure that she won't have a strong negative impact on our marriage and our 2-year-old daughter. It'll be a challenge (of course) but our house is also too small for a family of 4. The girls are too far apart to realistically share a room and we wouldn't want 12-year-old to anyway as her development is very important to us. If we keep her we'll be giving up our room (also tiny) and moving into the garage or the back porch. We don't have the money to remodel either of those areas.

So, have any of you faced any similar conundrums? I don't really have anyone to talk about this with that's not directly involved so even uninformed opinions are welcome. There's also more to the story, but I'm afraid this may already be too long to post.
 
I don't have anything important to add as I don't have any kids yet, but I just wanted to say "Good for you" for giving her a chance. She's had a fairly crappy life so far but she might really blossom if she's part of a loving family. I hope it works out.
 
It's kinda weird. So far we're the only ones that think she needs some professional counseling. My wife has thought she needed it since her mother died and especially since her sister did.

While we know the best thing for the three of us would be to let my mother-in-law take her, I keep coming back to the book of Matthew...

35. " 'For I was hungry and you gave me to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me to drink. I was an outcast and you took me in.
36. " 'I was naked and you clothed me. I was ill and you visited me. I was in prison and you came to me. '
37. "Then the saintly will say to him, 'Our Lord, when did we see you hungry and we fed you, or you were thirsty and we gave you drink?
38. " 'And when did we see you an outcast and we took you in, or when were you naked and we clothed you?
39. " 'And when did we see you ill or in prison and we came to you?'
40. "And the King replied and told them, 'Amen, I am telling you, that whatever you do for one of these my little brethren, for me you have done that.'

While I am a Christian, I am not a very good Bible reader. (I had to google the part of that I could remember to post it here for instance) but it still brings itself up in my mind.

I am 26 and Mrs. Guartho is 27. We're only 15 years older than this girl so we're also a little worried about our own ability to skip ahead in terms of our parenting skills. That's without even taking the additional issues into consideration.
 
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She needs counseling, no doubt about it. Keeping her is a tough decision, no doubt about it. In a way, though, it could be nice to see her blossom and you seem like a good person so I've no doubt you'll be a positive force in her life.

At the same time you need to look out for the family you already have and testing the waters with her is a good idea. Plus, you need to consider how she feels about you guys. Does she like you? Apathetic? Not like you?

Keep in mind, I'm not a parent so this is just based off of my own emotions.
 
Kudos to you for even considering taking her in, that's a very charitable thing to do.

My eldest is four so I don't have any experience of parenting teens - if you do decide she's going to live with you, I think you just treat it like it was when you first came home with the baby - day to day, you figure out her needs and yours.

Also see if you can find a parenting group (either real life or online) - you'll have lots of questions and people who have raised kids to teenage will be able to help you. (If you're on LJ I recommend altparent - don't be put off by the punk hair, it's an open welcoming community for people of all backgrounds and I know there's a wide range of experience there.)
 
I feel for her, that has got to be a tough and tumultuous situation. It sounds like what she needs most is a stable environment that encourages her to create her own personality (it sounds like she's been forced to take on certain roles instead of choosing who to be). If you think that you can provide that then you may be the right family for her.

I am not a parent so take what you will from my advice.

If you do consider taking her but aren't sure if you're ready for the trouble - watch the movie Problem Child. :lol: I was just watching it the other day and realized that although it's such an exaggerated comedy it really does have a touching point at the end.
 
I feel for you. Not an easy situation to be in. It's good that you're giving a time with her as a "test drive", as it were, though you know she can end up with the mother-in-law as a worst-case scenario. She (the girl) may come across as indifferent to her fate, since she's been passed around a lot, but if she fits in well with your family, you may want to ask her what SHE wants, where SHE wants to be. If she feels like she has some say in this, that might produce all kinds of favorable, tangible results. Tantrums and fits that she may throw at 12 may result from a feeling of powerlessness over her own situtation.

That being said, your first and foremost responsibility is to your two-year-old. Anything you do for the twelve-year-old has to be balanced against how it will affect your own child, favorably or unfavorably. If you take in the 12-year-old on a permanent basis, she'll be around for at least six years, plenty of time to grow...but also plenty of time to be an influence, whether good or bad, on the 2-year-old. The 12-year-old can fend for herself much more ably than the 2-year-old.

Also, though I don't participate in any, I'm sure there are parenting BBSs out there that can do much better at advising you than we can. Though I give you high praise for bringing this situation out in the light for us to examine, and I hope you can get some good things out of what we have thrown into the discussion, my friend.

My qualifications:husband of 20 years, and father to girls age 21, 18, 17, and 4.
 
That's great of you to want to help this girl, Guartho. It's going to be tough, though. She definitely needs counseling and you will have your hands full if you take her, especially since she's entering her teenage years. But the best thing she can have is stability and people who care about her.
 
It is wonderful that you want to take her in. I have a 12 year old and they are a lot of work, but also a great joy. The girl you are taking in definitely needs therapy. Please make sure she gets it. It will help her and it will help you as well.
 
That's a really difficult situation and I feel for all involved.
It's great that you are considering letting her live at your house and watching after her! Sounds like she's not had a very pleasant life so far and therefore the best thing for her is stability. She needs that now, espacially since she's starting to enocuntre puperty and this strange phase of being a teenager now, so, yeah, it's wonderful you will maybe try supporting her in that way,
But, I agree, she definitely needs therapy and help from a specialist, it'll make it all easier for her and for you and your family, too.
If she feels comfortable with the environment at your house, If she likes you and your family and If you talk to her and ask her how she feels about it, give her the feeling that she's not alone, y'know, If thinks she can trust you then I'm sure she would be able to develop more stability and lose any insecurity she might have. It's a long process, but as I said, given the above it could work and she could gain balance and also wouldn't have those tantrums all the time anymore.
Of course, the foremost responsibility you have is to your 2-year old and as SicOne said, you need to find a balance between the two. I'm sure they could get along well, even If they're so far apart age-wise.

All the best of luck, anyway!
 
I think it is very important that she ends up somewhere she feels welcome... if she does live in the house of father-in-law in the end, how will this affect her self worth if he makes her feel unwanted at such a young age? Yes, he has threatened to leave, but will he, realistically? These are the things that can really drive a teen off the rails.

It's a tough one. I wish you the very best luck. You and your wife sound like very good people.

Just one thing, is it a good idea to leave the house with just a baby and a 12 year old, if you go to the garage? Yes, I know you're not far... but I believe it's important to be in good earshot of babies. This my be a better option when the youngest is a little older.

Perhaps you can purchase a wooden partition to nail in place for the child's room, so they will affective be separated, but only share a door?
 
When talking of therapy or counseling, I just wanted to add that it would probably be best to consider it as "family" counseling or therapy - because you and your wife will need to be involved as well. :)
 
When talking of therapy or counseling, I just wanted to add that it would probably be best to consider it as "family" counseling or therapy - because you and your wife will need to be involved as well. :)

No, in this case one on one therapy is best for the girl. She can't talk about her feelings on the more personal matters with Mr. and Mrs. Guartho in the room.
 
My advice is get a fish tank. They can't charge you with a crime if you forget to feed them nor does it garner nationwide media attention if one of them jumps out of the tank and escapes.
 
It's kinda weird. So far we're the only ones that think she needs some professional counseling. My wife has thought she needed it since her mother died and especially since her sister did.

While we know the best thing for the three of us would be to let my mother-in-law take her, I keep coming back to the book of Matthew...

35. " 'For I was hungry and you gave me to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me to drink. I was an outcast and you took me in.
36. " 'I was naked and you clothed me. I was ill and you visited me. I was in prison and you came to me. '
37. "Then the saintly will say to him, 'Our Lord, when did we see you hungry and we fed you, or you were thirsty and we gave you drink?
38. " 'And when did we see you an outcast and we took you in, or when were you naked and we clothed you?
39. " 'And when did we see you ill or in prison and we came to you?'
40. "And the King replied and told them, 'Amen, I am telling you, that whatever you do for one of these my little brethren, for me you have done that.'
While I am a Christian, I am not a very good Bible reader. (I had to google the part of that I could remember to post it here for instance) but it still brings itself up in my mind.

I am 26 and Mrs. Guartho is 27. We're only 15 years older than this girl so we're also a little worried about our own ability to skip ahead in terms of our parenting skills. That's without even taking the additional issues into consideration.

Firstly, good on you for doing this, and secondly, it's more that your heart follows the spirit of Christ than your brain memorizing the words, so good on you for that as well. ;)

J.
 
No, in this case one on one therapy is best for the girl. She can't talk about her feelings on the more personal matters with Mr. and Mrs. Guartho in the room.


Mrs. Guartho and I would prefer she have one on one counseling and that we have counseling as a family. Don't know if that's do-able though. It'll depend on what Mrs. Guartho's insurance and/or medicaid will cover. 12-year-old (who I think I'll refer to as 12YO from now on) will be receiving a small income in trust from social security that has to be spent in a regular and timely fashion, so she'll get some counseling regardless.

Thanks for the words of encouragement all, and Pleco, we have a fish tank, but it's inhabited by an aquatic turtle. What's that mean?

Ever since 12YO came last night I've felt like she belongs in our home. But, we took her out to eat last night and played some Wii and then went to bed. Today I brought her and my daughter to work for about an hour or so while my wife went to her pilates class and then she's had the girls all day so I haven't been around them much. I think we need to keep her for a good couple of weeks. One of the other families that have had her in the last month has said that day 3 is when she started throwing fits and arguing every thing so we'll see what happens when she starts to get comfortable with us and starts testing her limits.

My wife is a 5th grade teacher and so she's got a fair bit of experience with children of 12YOs age group and even some from similarly distressed backgrounds. I'm hoping that will be enough to help her adjust to a home that has expectations like ours. It will be difficult, but I think if we get through a week or two we should invite her to become part of our family. I don't know what Mrs. Guartho thinks at this point as we haven't had much time to talk privately.
 
Boy, have I been down THAT road before.

When my 15-going-on-5 year old cousin came to spend two years with my family (her mom had died of cancer), we gave her her own room to crash in, plenty of shoulders to cry on, space to breathe, and chances to grow. That's what I'd recommend for your wife's niece. (Or is it her cousin? Eh, relative works.) Also, I'd take her to family grief counseling, and get her involved with extracurricular groups in school.

Right now, it sounds like the thing she needs most is stability and love.
 
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