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Michael Vick: Philadelphia Eagle

Kestrel said:
Not sure if this should just go in the main NFL thread or not, but ESPN and CBS are both reporting that Michael Vick has signed a two-year deal with the Philadelphia Eagles.
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Anyone who couldn't see this coming is either unfamiliar with American pro sports or is very naive (or perhaps just a Vick hater). Lets face it, many of you thought the league wouldn't reinstate Vick and that even if reinstated no team would sign him.

Playing pro footbal isn't a right. The league wasn't giving in to any rights they felt Vick had by reinstating him. The Commish knew that there were owners who wanted Vick and most importantly, the ratings for Vick's games (the first few in particular, whether he plays or not) are going to be through the roof. Just look at all the free pub the NFL is getting now.

From a football perspective, let me once again state that the folks who believe that Vick "has nothing left", that he was "in decline", are going to find out what "motivation" can do for a supremely talented pro athlete. My prediction is that when McNabb gets hurt (he always does), if the Eagles continue to win and Vick plays well and stays out of trouble), the Eagles' fans will LOVE him.

Damn, I was hoping the Raiders would get him. He is the perfect back up; a guy who can come in and completely frustrate a defense in the short run, which is what back up QB's are supposed to do.

Finally, Vick paid for what he did. Now, if he uses this as a springboard to becoming a much better person then perhaps the animals he tortured and killed will not have suffered in vain.
 
He paid the penalty prescribed by our society. By rights' he's now free to work for anyone who will have him. It may even be illegal for an employer to discriminate aganst him based on a crime for which he's paid.

That said, he should be booed and shamed every time he steps onto the field. People should vote with their voices or better still, with their dollars by simply not showing up.
 
If it makes you feel any better, Dorian Thompson, I'd say the chances are excellent, that Vick's going to end up in a Supermax sooner or later. ;)
 
Dorian Thompson said:
They did suffer in vain. There's no positive way to be drowned, beaten, or electrocuted.
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But there is something positive that may happen as a result ot that; Michael Vick becoming a decent person. Of course only time will tell, but if over time we do find that Vick is a changed man as a result of his crimes and punishment, then those animals' suffering did result in something good.
 
Dale said:
He paid the penalty prescribed by our society. By rights' he's now free to work for anyone who will have him. It may even be illegal for an employer to discriminate aganst him based on a crime for which he's paid.

That said, he should be booed and shamed every time he steps onto the field. People should vote with their voices or better still, with their dollars by simply not showing up.
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That's the way I feel about it, the guy did his time, not to mention lost a lot of scratch. What he did wasn't right but I don't know that it warrants punishment for life.
 
Dale said:
He paid the penalty prescribed by our society. By rights' he's now free to work for anyone who will have him. It may even be illegal for an employer to discriminate aganst him based on a crime for which he's paid.

That said, he should be booed and shamed every time he steps onto the field. People should vote with their voices or better still, with their dollars by simply not showing up.
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actually there are wide ranges of jobs convicted felons cannot do many mandated by law.

including some construction and transportation jobs.

i would have liked it better if the nfl had hired him for a year to do community service and then if he continued to show his remorse was real then let him play again.
 
People's cynicism and mistrust is understandable, and I think it'll just have to take time before we see the truth of what's going on, if we ever do. It's certainly possible that folks giving Vick a(nother) chance are wrong once again, but I'll give it to him anyway. <shrug>

pookha said:
i would have liked it better if the nfl had hired him for a year to do community service and then if he continued to show his remorse was real then let him play again.
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In a sense, that's what the Eagles have done. He's a backup quarterback for Donovon McNabb who can't play for the first six weeks of the season. Barring McNabb going down (knock on wood), he likely won't get many snaps after that except for whatever Wildcat variation they use - something tells me Andy Reid and the Eagles' staff are smarter than that. For the next 10 weeks or so, the attention will be on Vick the person as much as Vick the player, and I imagine there will be a lot of focus on what he does for community outreach.
 
Mr. Laser Beam said:
^ Not being able to play football != punishment. Even for Vick.
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I don't see how it isn't, if he's prevented from doing something he wants to do because of a past action how is that not punishment? When my nephew misbehaves and he can't play his video games we call that punishment and he doesn't make a living from playing those.
 
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Dale said:
It may even be illegal for an employer to discriminate aganst him based on a crime for which he's paid.
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I don't think so. Unless it's because of something like race, religion, or gender, employers have a near-absolute right to not hire somebody. Especially if it's a criminal record.

I suppose the Eagles do have a right *to* hire him if they want, but they had better wise up to the fact that by doing so, they are downplaying the seriousness of his crimes.
 
pookha said:
i would have liked it better if the nfl had hired him for a year to do community service and then if he continued to show his remorse was real then let him play again.
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They might have said it specifically (drowned out by the hate) but Vick is doing a lot of community work right now...

AND remember, a lot of people don't realize, he is still in trouble with the state of Georgia and hasn't even gone to trial for that.
 
To show he's changed? People who are that violent don't change. Until I see him going out of his way to help animals when there isn't football and fame in it for him (and a contract requiring him to do so) then I'll believe he's changed. He hasn't changed. That's not the real world. He can work at a factory.

Yes, the organization has a legal right to hire him. That doesn't mean it should. When will people ever understand that difference? I hope he crashes and burns.
 
If I had been an Eagles fan before, I don't think I would be one now. I couldn't be a fan of any team who would hire somebody like that.
 
i would have liked it better if the nfl had hired him for a year to do community service and then if he continued to show his remorse was real then let him play again.
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In a sense, that's what the Eagles have done.
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For 1.3 million dollars this season. This is why Vick has "changed" and is "really going to help animals now." :rolleyes: How can people be so gullible as to believe that? Hell, I'm a tree hugging liberal to the death, but even I don't bleed so much as to believe that this is about anything but football for Vick.
 
I think he's changed in the sense that he won't be participating in dog fighting anymore. Do I think that means he's changed as a person and now feels sorry for animals and doesn't want cruelty to happen to them? Probably not. But you can't brainwash people so they feel differently, only get them to act differently. And, if, as a Philadelphia Eagle, some kind of positive benefit can be given towards animal shelters and the PA SPCA, that's not too bad.

I didn't want them to sign Vick, but, for me, that's the silver lining. I'm not looking at any on the field benefits, since I have no idea what they might be (the only people who I've talked to that have looked at positive football benefits are McNabb haters who want him to be QB, which I just can't comprehend).
 
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