Michael in the Kelvinverse

[bryce]

Does she exist in the kelvinverse, you think? And if so, where is she?

Is Kelvinverse Michael Burnham Wwth her original parents (who would still have to be alive)? Or with Spock's family?

I don't see why Kelvinverse Michael can't exist - in Trek, across various universes, we see the iterations of the same people.

She'd have been born, I believe, at about the same time as Kirk...?

But if the same Klingon incursion that killed her parents happened in the Kelvinverse as the Prime Timeline, I am not sure.

Also, without going off on too much of a tangent, I am convinced that when Nero caused the events that created the Kelvin timeline, changes were - and had to be - made to the past of that new timeline as well, not just to it's present and future. But I won't go off on that tangent here. But it might effect if Michael exists in that timeline, and if so it what form.

I say she exists, but I am not sure if she lives with Spock's family in the Kelvinverse. And I am not sure how I'd feel about a Kelvinverse version of her showing up. (Yes, I know there are studio issues preventing this now, but last I heard the studios that own the Kelvinverse movie rights and the studio that owns the TV rights are re-merging, so never say never...)

Frankly, as much as I like the character and her connections to Spock and Sarek and Amanda, I am still having a hard time in my mind cramming her into the Prime timeline as is.

 

[F. King Daniel]

We should have this pinned, it's coming up every couple of months.

I think it'd be cool in Kelvin Universe Burnham was adopted by Alex Marcus rather than Sarek. Instead of being Spock's brother she's Carol's sister, and instead of being raised Vulcanish, she's Section 31ish.

Kinda like the Smallville alternate universe where Clark was raised by the Luthors and was a total bastard.

 

[bryce]

We should have this pinned, it's coming up every couple of months.

I think it'd be cool in Kelvin Universe Burnham was adopted by Alex Marcus rather than Sarek. Instead of being Spock's brother she's Carol's sister, and instead of being raised Vulcanish, she's Section 31ish.

Kinda like the Smallville alternate universe where Clark was raised by the Luthors and was a total bastard.

I should have known it was. I was gone a long time and just got back and only recently even watched Discovery. Like...in the past few weeks.

 

[The Wormhole]

Now that the fourth Kelvin movie is apparently on again, maybe they'll address this there...

 

[WarpFactorZ]

She certainly exists, since she was born before the timeline divergence. Who knows where, though, or in what form. Would her parents (or rather, dad) have been killed in the Kelvinverse? What was the year when the Klingons attacked the base? It's interesting to consider that the Red Angel / Burnham's mom is out there too.

 

[Yistaan]

I made the post below not about Kelvinverse Michael but about Prime Michael, but I feel it's still relevant to this thread:

Burnham: We made it back! We're in Earth year 2258!
Saru: We may have made an error in our calculations though. It's very possible we ended up in an alternate 23rd century timeline instead of our own.
Burnham: You worry too much. Wait--where's Vulcan? It's destroyed? We're being hailed. Spock? How did you age a century in just a year?
Spock: Fascinating.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

She exists but looks like Beyonce for some reason #stuntcasting.

 

[TPezz]

I would assume she definitely exists as her birth I’m assuming would have occurred prior to the timeline split.

I always thought it would have made sense that it turned out the show originally started in the Kelvin verse, but upon jumping back from the Mirror verse, they ended up in the Prime timeline. They could’ve used that to explain its advanced look and spore drive, that didn’t exist in the Prime timelines Discovery, and upon Starfleet learning these things exist from a more advanced timeline, use them to end the war. It could’ve been part of the reason why they sent the ship so far into the future because being so advanced caused the issue with Control wanting to use it to achieve consciousness. This also being why future ships in that timeline are less advanced to prevent another Control like scenario. Could’ve explained why we had never heard of Kelpiens either, maybe having not yet been discovered in the prime timeline.

But obviously that’s just fan wankery fanfic stuff

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Maybe the Red Angel never saved her as a child in Kelvin.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Maybe the Red Angel never saved her as a child in Kelvin.

I just checked the dates -- the Klingon attack that spawned the Red Angel happened in 2236, so three years post-Kelvin incident. That being said, that one event didn't change every other one in the whole universe!

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Well, we know Spock’s path is very different in Kelvin, and Pike dies before he sets foot on Discovery. So season 2 couldn’t possibly happen the same way.

Where was Burnham when Vulcan was destroyed?

Also possibly worth mentioning, the Defiant would only have to be on a slightly different mission to completely change 100 years of the MU.

Fanwanky theory: The mycelial Network breached into our universe as a result of the timeline split.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Well, we know Spock’s path is very different in Kelvin, and Pike dies before he sets foot on Discovery. So season 2 couldn’t possibly happen the same way.

Where was Burnham when Vulcan was destroyed?

Also possibly worth mentioning, the Defiant would only have to be on a slightly different mission to completely change 100 years of the MU.

Fanwanky theory: The mycelial Network breached into our universe as a result of the timeline split.

Sure, there are big differences that occur as a direct result of the timeline change. But it stands to reason that not EVERY event was altered by Nero's arrival. The Red Angel suit was surely not designed and built in the three years between 2233-2236. And didn't the Klingons attack because of the work being done? So, the causality between those two events seems a bit disconnected from Nero's incursion.

Also, it's worth considering that the timelines will diverge more as you get further in the future. Small changes in 2234, say, will propagate to larger ones in the future, because of all the interconnected events.

 

[fireproof78]

One thing that is certainly a part of my head canon, since it is technically a deleted scene, is how much time and effort the Klingons were putting in to figuring out the Narada and Nero. So, their focus likely was not on the Federation, at least for a time.

Makes me wonder if Michael's parents were still a part of Section 31 and part of Admiral Marcus' team to build the Vengeance.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

We also should consider, Defiant is not sent on that mission, no In A Mirror Darkly, no mirror Lorca.

Burnham may still be first officer to Giorgiu. She may have totally changed her career path when her second mother was killed. Either way it irrevocably altered who her and Sarek were as people.

If there are no more Kelvin movies I’m totally headcanoning control wins there. That or Kirk talked it into self destructing.

 

[DaveyNY]

Control probably talked Kirk into self destructing instead.
That's why in Beyond he was thinking about quitting.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

One thing that is certainly a part of my head canon, since it is technically a deleted scene, is how much time and effort the Klingons were putting in to figuring out the Narada and Nero. So, their focus likely was not on the Federation, at least for a time.

I sincerely doubt every Klingon was preoccupied with Nero's ship. There are enough of them to handle two things at once.

 

[fireproof78]

I sincerely doubt every Klingon was preoccupied with Nero's ship. There are enough of them to handle two things at once.

Yes and no. On the one hand, certainly they would be expanding their empire. On the other hand, Marcus notes that there has been the conflict with the Klingons in a full blown war, so there was a change there. And, a ship as powerful as the Narada would likely be a point of contention between the Great Houses, causing some infighting for control.