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Michael Burnham is the Chosen One

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Not at all. You're still projecting your gender politics onto this thread unnecessarily. No one even brought up gender in this discussion until your little rant. Sounds like you're the one with the axe to grind.
There's some of that projection again.
 
No, the word gender was not brought up. You just happen to hate female characters who are capable and only want male characters who are capable for some mysterious reason. It has nothing to do with gender. What a mystery.

That's your own personal conspiracy theory. This is where your projecting comes into play.

I've discussed the positives and negatives of both male and female characters before. Female characters can be great. I'm certain I've praised the female cast of Black Panther on this board several times, for example.
 
Whenever you say I've praised female cast prior, it just sounds like "some of my best friends are black"...just saying.

Amusingly, Burnham being Black is actually the one positive I like about the character.

Despite being a complete bore of a character, at least on a surface level she's doing good for African-American representation.
 
That's your own personal conspiracy theory. This is where your projecting comes into play.

I've discussed the positives and negatives of both male and female characters before. Female characters can be great. I'm certain I've praised the female cast of Black Panther on this board several times, for example.
Whatever you say. :guffaw:
 
Amusingly, Burnham being Black is actually the one positive I like about the character.

Despite being a complete bore of a character, at least on a surface level she's doing good for African-American representation.

I agree, my fellow compatriot. It’s quite a thing to see the darkies get their limelight. Now if you will excuse me, I’m going to watch GUNGA DIN, a good natured adventurous film with charismatic leads, exciting action, and lovely warm-hearted racism.
 
I don’t even consider this a debate worth having. This Mary Sue shit is sexist garbage and nothing else. Any competent female character gets labeled it, it is utterly meaningless as a term now. There can’t even be a worthwhile debate over it because so many who argue for it are doing so in bad faith.

^^^This.

"Michael Boredom."

and ... next.
 
I think when you create characters you don't necessarily know which ones are going to develop into the most interesting. Designating Michael as the lead character is risky if she doesn't become compelling. Right now it doesn't look too good.

It's like having having Tom Paris or Geordi LaForge as your main characters. Yuck.

Poor writing, as well as SMG's mediocre acting and limited range haven't helped matters either.

Obviously there's been many competent female characters through out history that weren't called Mary Sues.
 
I think when you create characters you don't necessarily know which ones are going to develop into the most interesting. Designating Michael as the lead character is risky if she doesn't become compelling. Right now it doesn't look too good.

It's like having having Tom Paris or Geordi LaForge as your main characters. Yuck.

Poor writing, as well as SMG's mediocre acting and limited range haven't helped matters either.

Obviously there's been many competent female characters through out history that weren't called Mary Sues.
I find her compelling. Must be a personal problem since outside of this echo chamber she’s fairly popular.
 
I think when you create characters you don't necessarily know which ones are going to develop into the most interesting. Designating Michael as the lead character is risky if she doesn't become compelling. Right now it doesn't look too good.

It's like having having Tom Paris or Geordi LaForge as your main characters. Yuck.

Poor writing, as well as SMG's mediocre acting and limited range haven't helped matters either.

Obviously there's been many competent female characters through out history that weren't called Mary Sues.
There are apparently two different versions of season 1 that are getting streamed. I've seen the one where Discovery took a lot of risks, made great casting decisions and delivered compelling scripts.

And then there's the alternative version that some people have seen that has terrible acting, awful stories, made by a callous showrunner who hated Star Trek so much he didn't go back in time 60 years to film it.

You're apparently only allowed to view one of these series. must be a licensing issue. I don't think Ver.A viewers are able to converse in a common dialogue with Ver.B viewers.
 
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