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Sounds like you're both down on Batman Season 3. I thought Christopher, at least, was a Batgirl fan.

I could see that slotcar working in the show, since Batman was such a well-known and appreciated public figure.

As for me, it's the Route 66 DECADES Binge this weekend. Next weekend is That Girl again, starting from the beginning. I like the show, but it seems like they have a lot of shows they haven't done weekend Binges for yet that could use the attention.
 
Sounds like you're both down on Batman Season 3. I thought Christopher, at least, was a Batgirl fan.

I'm absolutely a fan of Yvonne Craig's Batgirl, but she was the only good thing about the season. The loss of the 2-parter cliffhanger format trashed the show's rhythm, the writing was worse overall, the budget was slashed and the sets became sparse and impressionistic, and we were saddled with lame villains like Louie the Lilac and Lola Lasagne. Also, Billy May's music wasn't half as good as Nelson Riddle's. Losing Riddle seriously hurt the show for me. And while Eartha Kitt was impressive in her own way, she was no Julie Newmar.
 
As for me, it's the Route 66 DECADES Binge this weekend. Next weekend is That Girl again, starting from the beginning. I like the show, but it seems like they have a lot of shows they haven't done weekend Binges for yet that could use the attention.
I was thinking the same thing. Or at least show different episodes.
 
IIRC, the last one got them through the series, so starting at the beginning again makes sense...but why so soon?
 
Sounds like you're both down on Batman Season 3. I thought Christopher, at least, was a Batgirl fan.

I will get into the Batgirl situation this weekend.

I could see that slotcar working in the show, since Batman was such a well-known and appreciated public figure.

Agreed. He's supposed to be so popular that in-universe businesses capitalize on his popularity. In the early season 2 episode, "The Clock King's Crazy Crimes," the Dynamic Duo stopped to get a bite to eat at a greasy spoon, and were offered the special...Bat-burgers. There was a precedent, so if the series used a Batmobile slot car, it would have been in keeping with the established, in-universe recognition / commercial use of the Caped Crusaders' fame.

As for me, it's the Route 66 DECADES Binge this weekend. Next weekend is That Girl again, starting from the beginning. I like the show, but it seems like they have a lot of shows they haven't done weekend Binges for yet that could use the attention.

Route 66
--such a gem of a series. In the past couple of years, I've caught a few episodes, and I was reminded of its plotting strengths & naturalistic performances.
 
Sounds like you're both down on Batman Season 3. I thought Christopher, at least, was a Batgirl fan.

I'm absolutely a fan of Yvonne Craig's Batgirl, but she was the only good thing about the season. The loss of the 2-parter cliffhanger format trashed the show's rhythm, the writing was worse overall, the budget was slashed and the sets became sparse and impressionistic, and we were saddled with lame villains like Louie the Lilac and Lola Lasagne. Also, Billy May's music wasn't half as good as Nelson Riddle's. Losing Riddle seriously hurt the show for me. And while Eartha Kitt was impressive in her own way, she was no Julie Newmar.

I don't know... it think Eartha Kitt did a pretty good job, definitely has the purring-type speech and seductive thing down (and also nice that a nonwhite had a strong role). The problem is she was in the same show as Julie Newmar.. no distance to allow for appreciation of both (and also that Julie Newmar is usually people's first, and most frequent, version of Catwoman, especially with the TV show). It's kind of like how a lot of us don't like Andrew Garfield's Spiderman... as it was waaaay too soon (and for me, the knowledge that it was a money grab, vs. a legitimate reason) . Whereas, we can appreciate both John Wesley Schipp & Grant Gustin, and simply see them as the same hero for different generations.

I do agree that other than Batgirl, they messed with Batman so much, it lost a lot of what made it fun in the first place.


Also, Christopher, did you stop reviewing Superman? I just saw the one on Saturday (5pm CST)... I thought it was interesting what a strong heroic Lois Lane they showed (going in a mine to help save a trapped worker..."Pop")
 
I don't know... it think Eartha Kitt did a pretty good job, definitely has the purring-type speech and seductive thing down (and also nice that a nonwhite had a strong role). The problem is she was in the same show as Julie Newmar.. no distance to allow for appreciation of both (and also that Julie Newmar is usually people's first, and most frequent, version of Catwoman, especially with the TV show).

Oh, definitely. It's not that I don't appreciate what Kitt brought to the role, it's just that I really regret losing Newmar.


It's kind of like how a lot of us don't like Andrew Garfield's Spiderman... as it was waaaay too soon (and for me, the knowledge that it was a money grab, vs. a legitimate reason) .

Whereas I think Garfield was far, far better in the role than Tobey Maguire. The Raimi movies basically altered Peter/Spidey's personality to fit Maguire, which was fine for what it was, but it wasn't nearly as authentic as the Webb movies. Amazing Spider-Man 2 fumbled badly where most of the plot and the villains were concerned, but it's the most perfect live-action depiction of Spider-Man as a character that we've ever gotten.

And I don't buy the "too soon" argument. If I can enjoy both a comic book and an animated adaptation thereof at the same time, or an animated series and a live-action movie about the same character at the same time, then there's no reason I can't enjoy two different version in the same medium in quick succession. On the contrary, it can be fun to compare and contrast them. Like the time when I watched the two TV versions of Hamlet with Patrick Stewart as King Claudius within a few months of each other -- the 1980 Derek Jacobi version and the 2009 David Tennant version. Sure, they were made decades apart, but I experienced them in quick succession, and it didn't harm the experience for me.


Also, Christopher, did you stop reviewing Superman? I just saw the one on Saturday (5pm CST)... I thought it was interesting what a strong heroic Lois Lane they showed (going in a mine to help save a trapped worker..."Pop")

I ran through the entire series from start to finish and reviewed every episode, but that was some time ago. I'm sure you can find my review of that one if you search back through the thread.
 
IIRC, the last one got them through the series, so starting at the beginning again makes sense...but why so soon?
That's right, I was flashing back to Dark Shadows. It's actually pretty nice to see Route 66 getting so much love for a change.
 
It's kind of like how a lot of us don't like Andrew Garfield's Spiderman... as it was waaaay too soon (and for me, the knowledge that it was a money grab, vs. a legitimate reason)

Not only was it too soon, but Garfield played the "odd" angle to degrees far surpassing anything from the source (such as the Ditko period). On the other hand, it was almost universally acknowledged that Raimi's version (and Maguire) were as close (and respectful) of the source (since Raimi was an admitted, huge Spider-Man comic fan) as any comic adaptation in film history. There were some changes made, but again, Raimi--and Tobey--did not leave any doubt why their Spider-Man films were runaway blockbusters with volumes of praise that escaped the terrible, and thankfully booted Garfield movies.
 
Next weekend is That Girl again, starting from the beginning. I like the show, but it seems like they have a lot of shows they haven't done weekend Binges for yet that could use the attention.
i like That Girl too...but yeah, i'd rather they play something that hasn't been on in the past few months. i'd really like a Get Smart binge, but thats just me.
 
I highly recommend The Saint if they binge that one again on Decades. A very well made show and you get the bonus of experiencing Roger Moore as producer and even sometimes director.
 
I'm actually not that familiar with The Saint. It was syndicated briefly in my area back in the 70s, and I've caught a few on cable-- altogether I've probably seen less than a dozen episodes. It would be a good show to catch if they do binge it.
 
The best part is the teasers...Roger Moore talks to the audience, then gets interrupted and brought back into the show so that somebody can introduce him and the halo appears over his head.

Peeking ahead at DECADES's schedule of upcoming Binges:

Nov. 28: Mission: Impossible
Dec. 5: Ironside

Also, on Nov. 27 (Black Friday), they're doing a Green Hornet mini-binge...blocks of different episodes throughout the day interspersed with other programming.
 
Oh, yeah, the halo. :rommie:

Mission: Impossible sounds good. I'll definitely have that on. I wonder if they'll show the first season. I don't think I've seen any of those.

I found a biography of Stirling Silliphant on Amazon and it arrived yesterday. Me being me, the first thing I turned to was the appendix on unrealized projects, many of which are quite interesting. Most especially was a script for a Daredevil movie in the early 80s and a Forbidden Planet project in the early 90s-- a remake, sadly, not a sequel, so I'm glad it never happened, but I'd sure like to read it. Also, there was a project in the late 70s called When Worlds Collide, but no indication if it was a remake or an original story.
 
Whereas I think Garfield was far, far better in the role than Tobey Maguire.

He was the wise-cracker we all knew Spidey was. He was born for that role.

Yup. Maguire was good in his way, and the Raimi movies were very good for the most part, but Spidey's banter was almost completely missing, and that's just deeply wrong. Garfield and Webb's motormouth Spidey was so refreshing and right.
 
Batman's third and final season begins with the debut of the Yvonne Craig as Batgirl in the episode, "Enter Batgirl, Exit Penguin."

Among other changes, the two-part format was dropped, with most episodes being standalone stories, usually ending with a teaser for the next episode. What's odd is that the 2-parter was no longer the standard, but it did not vanish completely--even adding in a 3-parter (the "Londinium" story).

As mentioned last week, the Aunt Harriet character was reduced to a couple of cameos (hence Robin's "holy missing relatives" remark), since actress Madge Blake was in declining health.

Comics legend Carmine Infantino provided insight on the creation & addition of Batgirl to the TV series:

"...producer William Dozier called Julie (Schwartz) to say he thought the show would do better by introducing a new female character. I guess they got a great response to Catwoman, but she couldn't be in every episode. Julie and I got together to create Batgirl. It was Julie's idea that she be Commissioner Gordon's daughter. He asked me to design what she would look like in and out of costume. I also designed her motorcycle.

Gardner Fox wrote the first story, "The Million Dollar Debut of Batgirl," which I drew, and it ran in Detective Comics #359. I enjoyed drawing Batgirl even more than Batman. The TV people liked my designs and adopted them for the show."
What should have been an explosive addition to the series turned out to flop across the board, usually given a good amount of blame for hammering that final nail in the Bat-coffin.

Instead of making Batgirl a crime fighter capable of believably standing up to villains as well as Batman & Robin, William Dozier--probably suffering from some sexist perception issue--had Yvonne Craig be little more than an add-on that overdosed on sass and other behavior that was already becoming outdated by the fall of 1967. Worst of all, this costumed super heroine did not engage in any real fights.

At best, she hit villains with thin, wooden planks or crates, delivered the occasional high kick, but her fighting was nowhere near the action staged for seasons 1 & 2. It was close to nonexistent. As a result, any scenes with her in the mix was like watching two different programs trying operate in the same scene, but clearly not gelling.

That lack of real physical action was an anachronism on a series that was defined--in part--by its big, and frankly violent, flashy fights. They were part of the payoff for audiences, so to add another costumed hero, only to have her not live up to the super-heroic expectations Batman established, only provided more reason to abandon a series that was already on the downslide.

We must remember that the 1960's played host to significant changes in the portrayal of women--especially in action / adventure series. More than just the occasional guest starring role, major series would see women begin to hold their own in conflicts with men. Whether it was Honey West (1965-66), or Cathy Gale & Emma Peel from The Avengers (their run: 1962-68), women were hardly the damsels in distress, only waiting for the male leads to sweep in and save the day.

Even Get Smart's 99 occasionally dealt blows or a chop to male adversaries. If a sitcom did not have a problem.....

Further, the source--the comic book Batgirl--was launched as a woman more than capable of going toe-to-toe with men, as seen in the panel sample--

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If the mishandling of live action Batgirl was not bad enough compared to the comics, only months after Batman's cancellation, the first animated version of the character (Filmation's The Batman / Superman Hour) had her in full-on fights (above). So, anywhere one looks--the comics, cartoons and other TV series with action heroines, there was more than enough cause for Craig's Batgirl to stand among them. Unfortunately, Yvonne Craig's Batgirl was reduced to act like a giddy schoolgirl from 1950, who just so happened to wear a bat costume.
 
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Batman: "Enter Batgirl, Exit Penguin": The third season begins with the series' first one-part episode, and we meet the magnificent Yvonne Craig as Barbara Gordon, whose arrival was heralded twice in late season 2. It's a pretty strong start, actually, allowing for the tighter storytelling. It's nice how we're initially led to believe Barbara is in a conventional hostage role before she turns out to have a superheroic secret. Although the idea of Penguin forcing Barbara to marry him is startlingly rapey.

But Penguin's feeling the season-3 budget cuts right away. He has to settle for generic Henchmen instead of bird-themed ones with individual handles. Also, very crude and wrinkly cityscape backdrops out the windows.

And the half-hour format does make the story feel rushed compared to what we're used to, and I've never felt that pace worked as well. Comedy relies on good timing, after all.

And we get the debut of the lame faux-cliffhanger teasers for the next epiosde, which are really forced and awkward. They don't even connect to the episode that follows. "Why is a jetstream like a daffodil?" That riddle never gets answered! It's pointless!

"Ring Around the Riddler": It's the first appearance of Frank Gorshin as the Riddler since season 1, and his last appearance overall in the series, although he would reprise the Riddler in the 1979 variety special Legends of the Superheroes.

Kind of odd for the Riddler to be interested in boxing, but then, he's often had rather random interests (wax, silent films, etc.). I love it that he hides out at the Little Used Gymnasium, which is actually named that. Although the minimalist sets are frustrating.

Hey, Batgirl invented the disappearing trick that later became Batman's trademark. He totally swiped it!

Nice twist, revealing the Siren (Joan Collins) as Riddler's partner midway through. We thought he was drugging the fighters and Chief O'Hara, but it must've been his really sexy ace in the hole. And it's a less random setup for the next episode than the usual tags.

I have a hard time believing that Batman would have the same "Don't call me chicken" berserk button as Marty McFly. He's far too humble and rational for that. And the Riddler's plan -- to put himself in a boxing ring with Batman -- seems ill-conceived even with the magnetic trap. Why not use the Siren on Batman? Still, Gorshin did some good physical comedy here.

I find I'm liking Billy May's music more this time than I have in the past. But I don't know if that'll last -- it might wear out its welcome. Still, both these episodes were pretty strong compared to my memories of season 3. We'll have to see if my generous mood lasts.

TREK_GOD_1, thanks for posting that background info -- although I disagree very much about how Batgirl was handled. By the standards of the time, and certainly by this show's past standards, she was portrayed pretty progressively. Maybe she wasn't allowed to throw punches, but she delivered plenty of solid kicks. And more importantly, she was as brilliant as Batman, resourceful, and totally fearless.

But that Carmine Infantino quote is not quite right about the show using his Batgirl costume design. His costume was black with a blue cape and cowl and yellow highlights. The show's costume was purple tights, a purple cowl with a black front, and a yellow cape and Bat-symbol. Which, interestingly, is very similar to Catwoman's traditional comics costume -- a purple dress, purple cowl with black front, and yellow cape. Which kind of provides balance, since of course the show's Catwoman wore a black catsuit. So Catwoman and Batgirl basically swapped colors.


Wonder Woman: "Pot of Gold": Oh, good grief, it's both a Christmas episode and a leprechaun episode. Ack. And if the Irish-stereotype cobbler is so upset about being called a shoe repairman, why does the front of his shop say SHOE REPAIR in really big letters? And the villains' plot was kind of unfocused. The whole episode is cluttered and cursory.

Still, that was a very nice hat Diana was wearing in the first half. She's had a couple of nice hats recently. Some nice music in the chase scenes, too. Very late '70s/early '80s sound to it, but I liked it.

What with all the Warner Bros. shows I've been watching lately, I'm starting to get to know their backlot pretty well. That "London" location where Diana was in the teaser, that wrought-iron fence and gate, was often seen in Lois and Clark and served as the Westerfield Club in The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr.
 
"Why is a jetstream like a daffodil?" That riddle never gets answered! It's pointless!
But surely you can tell us what it means...!

By the standards of the time, and certainly by this show's past standards, she was portrayed pretty progressively. Maybe she wasn't allowed to throw punches, but she delivered plenty of solid kicks. And more importantly, she was as brilliant as Batman, resourceful, and totally fearless.
I agree with Christopher here. In general, Batgirl didn't take a backseat as a crimefighter...she was a step ahead of the boys as much as not, and managed to do it without the resources of Bruce Wayne, a Bat-Computer, and an atomic reactor. Whatever Season 3's weaknesses may have been, Batgirl's high kicks didn't break the show.

Oh, good grief, it's both a Christmas episode and a leprechaun episode.
And me without my Me...aw, shucks.
 
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