Metallurgy of ST? Nano Forging? Transporter Forging? Quantum Forging?

[MetalOne]

Given Star Treks Sci-Fi advanced technology, I do have to wonder what it would take to create the metals used in Starfleet ship designs.

The heating forging methods normally used don't seem right for the sake of ST trek, simply because the material limitations used for most real life tech used in metal forging today.

The Sci-fi ships of StarFleet would have to be able to deal with energy weapons firing weaponized, even customize quantum particles where the particle energy itself, like Nadeons, are intentionally designed to rip threw matter at the quantum particle scale. Why the very arrangement and structure of subatomic particles would be getting customized to suit the intended purpose. After all, that's why Nadeons are optimized to vaporize things.

So wouldn't it stand to reason that, not just the energy weapons used to defend ships are customized at the quantum level, but also the Hull plating and even internal materials for many things including power distribution?

With current real world tech, we simply would not be able to efficiently move hot plasma threw any structures we have without it being some huge freaking building trying to super cool superconducting magnets, to create a magnetic field strong enough to keep the hot plasma contained, or the plasma would rip the outer walls up and destroy the containment vessel. So our current metal forging tech simply is not good enough.

So if StarFleet ships are to have plasma conduits running threw their ships the size of a 5 or 6 inch corrugated PVC pipe, then it stands to reason the material forging method would also have to customize the very subatomic particles it is made out of. So we already need an abundance of nano tech right there.

Additionally, we need to be able to forge these materials quickly and efficiently. So the very foundry tech used has to be able to quickly and easily move materials around and do so at the subatomic scale and in such mass numbers as to actually make entire sheets of metal or much larger, that we would be used too seeing at a real life steel forging mill.

So your favorite super collider, CERN, yeah that is going to have to fit in the size of your closet while being able to do 100,000 times more work, so it can actually make sheets of subatomically customized materials for our beloved Federation Starships. So the forging devices themselves will defiantly have to be made with some kind of nano/quantum forged materials as well.

So far, as the title suggest, I have only come up with 3 ideas to start theory crafting about.
Nano Forging, where nano machines build the materials
Transporter Forging, where the transporters are beaming the subatomic particles into place
Quantum Forging, where the quantum materials are being built and customized for use in materials.
You can likely guess that all 3 would be used in different processes and for different materials.

So what do you imagine could be made and how would these method be used to make them?
What would these foundry devices look like?
How would the very industry it self look and work?

 

[MetalOne]

Since Ablative Armor is intentionally designed to take the energy weapons fire from weapons that use customized subatomic particles, we can easily assume any manufacturing method for Ablative Armor is going to need a process that makes customized Subatomic particles for the Armor to be made out of, so it could actually deal with hits from weapons that used customized subatomic particles as a weapon.

We can also assume most Armor types presented after DS9 in squeal shows would also use manufacturing styles that make materials using customized subatomic particles, such as Monotanium and Neutronium.

 

[MetalOne]

But Armor Types like Dispersive Armor, presented in ST: Enterprise, would likely only have been made using a combination of Traditional Metal Foundry, with a Nano Forge Enhancement Process at the end of the production line, using early forms of nano forging.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

such as Monotanium and Neutronium.

Neutronium isn't confirmed to be a material that StarFleet is capable of manufacturing until at least the 32nd Century thanks to ST: DISCO.

So that option is not available to UFP / StarFleet within the 24th century.

 

[MetalOne]

???
Well conformation only says "We know they can at this point in time" not "The UFP finally managed to do it by the 32nd."
That aside, I think you missed the point of the entire thread. Worse more, the lack of interest in the thread for a community that is normally very tech and sci-fi tech curious seems odd and even a bit disturbing.

 

[MetalOne]

Also, there are many times in real life that an early version of a production ability could only produce a small range of results and a small range of materials. Being able to produce a wider variety of materials requires the refinement of those production abilities.

It would be well within the possibilities for early stages of Nano forging, Transporter Forging and Quantum Forging to have early versions that could only produce rudimentary materials that accomplished a small range of goals, but still necessary goals to accomplish for continued advancement.

The First versions of Nano forging could produce both Duranium Metals and Plasma conduits that don't need to be powered super conducting magnets, for example.

Ablative Armor could be an early available metal from the early versions of Transported Forging and Quantum Forging, as well as both new forging methods making it far easier and quicker to manufacture smaller more effective plasma conduits and a higher grade Duranium, that wasn't previously possible with only Nano Forging, even in advanced development of Nano Forging.

I am really surprised not more ST fans are all over this. Back when the official StarTrek website had Forums, something like this would be a hot topic. This forum system see's enough traffic. I really have to wonder what is going on here. This doesn't feel like a natural StarTrek Fan reaction.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Most people have migrated to Social Media.

Forums are usually dead.

 

[publiusr]

Sad to say.

Now, it could be that materials could be joined, then treated into one piece that later is resistant to cutting

 

[fireproof78]

Also, there are many times in real life that an early version of a production ability could only produce a small range of results and a small range of materials. Being able to produce a wider variety of materials requires the refinement of those production abilities.

It would be well within the possibilities for early stages of Nano forging, Transporter Forging and Quantum Forging to have early versions that could only produce rudimentary materials that accomplished a small range of goals, but still necessary goals to accomplish for continued advancement.

The First versions of Nano forging could produce both Duranium Metals and Plasma conduits that don't need to be powered super conducting magnets, for example.

Ablative Armor could be an early available metal from the early versions of Transported Forging and Quantum Forging, as well as both new forging methods making it far easier and quicker to manufacture smaller more effective plasma conduits and a higher grade Duranium, that wasn't previously possible with only Nano Forging, even in advanced development of Nano Forging.

I am really surprised not more ST fans are all over this. Back when the official StarTrek website had Forums, something like this would be a hot topic. This forum system see's enough traffic. I really have to wonder what is going on here. This doesn't feel like a natural StarTrek Fan reaction.

What is a natural fan reaction? I was on those boards and it was not always a friendly place.

But, you might like the Daystrom Institute Technical Library forums.

 

[MetalOne]

Heh, the unfriendliness of what the old Star Trek board turned into is half the reason I stopped going 10 years before the form was shut down actually.

 

[MetalOne]

I just looked up the forum you suggested.
My browser says the connection is not secure, so now I am leery of it.

 

[fireproof78]

I just looked up the forum you suggested.
My browser says the connection is not secure, so now I am leery of it.

I haven't had issues with it but I know it's a small site run by a fan. I also have enjoyed the Daystrom Institute subreddit. What I have noticed with the Trek fandom (and a lot of other fandoms) that it is far more splintered. There isn't one hub where people congregate. If I want technical chat then RPG based forums, or even Reddit are far more likely to have that tech talk. Rarely has that been a mainstay of my Trek discussions though.

 

[publiusr]

A concept to think about that I saw recently:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas...ical University,using moisture, heat or light.

I never did like the idea of the TMP drydock as a point of assembly--the TSFS spacedock makes more sense.

But having the TMP drydock be something like the Remmler Array from "Starship Mine:"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Mine


You build your ship--keep everything soft--then pass through a field to solidify interlock. Everything gets much stronger and interconnected. The drydock also serves as a sensor for field hotspots--and is the last enclosure a ship sees before leaving out on a training run or something.

 

[Go-Captain]

I always assumed they used specialized replicators either running on pure energy to matter, or matter to matter alchemy to get what they want. If you can do energy to matter I guess that's the quark level. Except, you don't need super materials just because they have plasma conduits, they use magnetics for that. The Voyager episode where Leonardo da Vinci is kidnapped shows a plasma diverter thing. I think the plasma also tends to stay confined even when the conduits are opened, unless opened by way of an accident or attack.

I doubt nanomachines can go small enough, unless they are replicator equipped like Borg nanoprobes. Quantum forging just sounds like a variant of replicator tech, and thus transporters.

My only disappointment is how we have never seen a full ship replicator. The space dock doesn't make much sense because we never see it do anything but cast light and possibly hold offices. I would think it would house an atmosphere, and sort of ironically earn the name drydock. It should at least have loads of tractor beams or robotic arms.

What I always wanted to see the drydock as a single huge replicator, or at least have several very large replicators feeding the drydock. Down the line in Discovery I can imagine they just build a ball of programmable matter and let it self assemble into a ship, or I could if we didn't see a load of robots and work bees welding the hull. What happened to the programmable, holographic, and living hulls they mentioned?

 

[MetalOne]

Heeheehee, HAAHAAHAAHAA!!!
I think you need to learn about RealLife Metallurgy, Forging Technology, Foundry Systems, RealLife Nanotech and Biotech, as well as, Reallife quantum physics and Reallife Manufacturing Processes.
The Replicators would be working of the principles of Quantum Forging and using nanomachines.
I didn't present variant ideas, I presented the theoretical bases of how it would become possible for a replicator to exist.
And a replicator would be the low end, home use tool, not the high end, industrial production tool.

 

[XCV330]

Maybe lower the hostility by a factor of five? Holy shit, it's just a fan conversation on ship building.

RealLife is not a word. You need to learn about words.

 

[MetalOne]

When you understand how all those things work, you will understand why exotic materials will need to be made using those methods and built up over time, so they can scale better, in order to be able to build the ships star Trek has in them. You will understand why current "REALLIFE" technolodgy has to be as huge as they are to get so little out of them and why artificial exotic materials would have to be made using such theoretical forging techniques, to be able to do things like confine a flow of plasma into a smaller and smaller space then what our current "REALLIFE" technolodgy can do, as it is currently made.

Don't waste my time with offtopic grammar nazi'ism. More then enough people can understand the idea's presented even with a couple of mispellings and misgrammerings. Offtopic grammar nazi'ism is always used as a detraction. I will refuse to use a space between real and life as much as I want.

I made this thread, to present real ways that could make Star Trek ships possible and the reasonable tech path that would have a high chance of making it all possible.

You would need to artificially quantum construct subatomic particles so that you could create materials capable of making strong magnetic confinement fields naturally and without super cooling nor super heating to achieve superconductive states, needed to confine plasma. Our current day REALLIFE technology requires super cooling magnets to get them into a superconductive state to contain plasma.

For Starfleet ships too have such small plasma conduits running threw their ships, the conduits would have to be made out of large amounts of they specialized material. For such large amounts of material to be made, the forging tech itself will have to have significant upgrades and be made out of quantum forged, nano-forged materials.

 

[XCV330]

I think Star Trek ships are made out of galvanized artherdentium combostilated into tritanium pallow nuggets, smoothed out by the use of several trained gormaganders who digest the entire thing and excrete a dinglebop. Trained martian androids they take the dinglebop, and they smooth it out with a bunch of schleem. The schleem is then repurposed for later batches. They take the dinglebop and push it through the krumbo, where the fleeb is rubbed against it. It's important that the fleeb is rubbed, because the fleeb has all of the fleeb juice. Then a schlomi shows up, and rubs it, and spits on it. They cut the fleeb. There are several hizzards in the way. The blamphs rub against the trumbles, and the plubus and grumbo are shaved away. That leaves you with a regular old nacelle.

This leaves a method for extruding the secondary and primary hull stuffers. These are grown from seeds in drydock, where they tumble end over end exactly like a chicken on the ground does not. Fortunately for a number of years now, work has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the crudely conceived idea of a transmission that would not only supply inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters. Such an instrument is the turbo encabulator.Now basically the only new principle involved is that instead of power being generated by the relative motion of conductors and fluxes, it is produced by the modial interaction of magneto-reluctance and capacitive diractance.The original machine had a base plate of pre-famulated amulite surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in a direct line with the panametric fan. The latter consisted simply of six hydrocoptic marzlevanes, so fitted to the ambifacient lunar waneshaft that side fumbling was effectively prevented. The main winding was of the normal lotus-o-delta type placed in panendermic semi-boloid slots of the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a non-reversible tremie pipe to the differential girdle spring on the “up” end of the grammeters. The turbo-encabulator has now reached a high level of development, and it’s being successfully used in the operation of novertrunnions. Moreover, whenever a forescent skor motion is required, it may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration.

It is important during this process that the aflitirized greeblestats are kept out of fluidic correspondance with the vessles acrostic voins, or a hypergolic reaction could occur. Well, its all elementary stuff, but that's the way it is.


And the funny thing is, this load of crap has just as much bearing on a pretend space ship as your diatribe does. Chill out, dude.

 

[Unicron]

Please don't make things personal in here. MetalOne, you're new to the board. Discussion of stuff (both with principles in real science and less real Trek science) is always welcome, but don't misinterpret criticism as personal insult.

 

[MetalOne]

You know what, I don't care if I get banned.
You are running a practically dead forum anyways.
Go fuck yourself Unicron.
You too XCV330
Yeah, I am intentionally insulting a moderator and another board member.
Cause you are clearly a 1 sided prick. I bet you did a lot of grammar nazi'ism in your life as well.
No reason for me not to intentionally come off as thinking of my self as superior, even when I don't think that way, yall where going to come to that assumption anyways, so I may as well do things that help you believe what judgement you where already going to make about me and start insulting your intelligence as well.
You people are dumb ass fuck tards who wouldn't know your ass from your elbow.