Menagerie Cometh...
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If Atolm can make that goofy looking "chicken-man" from the original cut of "The Cage" look intimidating, then he is an illustrative g*d!
Personally, I'd love to see M'Ress gone "feral" (to keep with the "Menagerie" theme), but I know that's stretching it.
Sincerely,
Bill
Personally, I'd love to see M'Ress gone "feral" (to keep with the "Menagerie" theme), but I know that's stretching it.
Sincerely,
Bill
Nice! The episode of The Outer Limits which originally featured that "Talosian Captive" costume was pretty good.
Constructive criticism time! Of these first four drawings (I assume more will come) this is the weakest. The anatomy makes no structural sense around the shoulder area. You can't chalk this one up to 'he's and alien and his proportions are different' because the problems are mostly symmetry issues and an apparent lack of thinking through the joints in this area. Also the hands are differently sized.
On the other hand, the legs and lower torso are well done and the head (which your version of makes me imagine a scary werewolf version of A.L.F.) are all very nicely drawn. My only nit to pick is that I can't think of any creature in nature which has it's lower jaw longer than it's upper jaw. And the teeth don't seem practical from an 'I eat food" perspective. Teeth invariably point 'in to' the mouth, towards the tongue and the throat. But then, I guess he is an alien after all...
Also, I'm totally cool with your long belly hair. It's a good solution. And I should add that I absolutely love your mugato drawing. Everything about it is awesome. You still have the teeth pointing too far out to be practical to eat with, but I'm okay with that here; the rest of the drawing is so flawless that the teeth here can be written off as dramatic licence. I love your coloring work on the white fur. That's tough to get right and you did an amazing job there.
--Alex
Constructive criticism time! Of these first four drawings (I assume more will come) this is the weakest. The anatomy makes no structural sense around the shoulder area. You can't chalk this one up to 'he's and alien and his proportions are different' because the problems are mostly symmetry issues and an apparent lack of thinking through the joints in this area. Also the hands are differently sized.
On the other hand, the legs and lower torso are well done and the head (which your version of makes me imagine a scary werewolf version of A.L.F.) are all very nicely drawn. My only nit to pick is that I can't think of any creature in nature which has it's lower jaw longer than it's upper jaw. And the teeth don't seem practical from an 'I eat food" perspective. Teeth invariably point 'in to' the mouth, towards the tongue and the throat. But then, I guess he is an alien after all...
Also, I'm totally cool with your long belly hair. It's a good solution. And I should add that I absolutely love your mugato drawing. Everything about it is awesome. You still have the teeth pointing too far out to be practical to eat with, but I'm okay with that here; the rest of the drawing is so flawless that the teeth here can be written off as dramatic licence. I love your coloring work on the white fur. That's tough to get right and you did an amazing job there.
--Alex
Good stuff mate, but some of your observations are incorrect, although I can see how you came to some conclusions
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Neat stuff.
Regarding the long nether-region hair, let's all remember that "not everyone keeps their genitals in the same place" so I think one needn't be too concerned about covering up what wasn't there in the costumes.
Re Menagerie creature:
The asymmetry with the hands, if you're going to go for that I'd recommend making the size difference more prominent, because I right now it looks like a mistake instead of a design decision. Also, and this is purely Earthbound observation, it seems odd that that the hands have three digits and the feet four. I don't recall the original costume's feet, though. Again, it's an alien, so this is perfectly acceptable.
Regarding the long nether-region hair, let's all remember that "not everyone keeps their genitals in the same place" so I think one needn't be too concerned about covering up what wasn't there in the costumes.
Re Menagerie creature:
The asymmetry with the hands, if you're going to go for that I'd recommend making the size difference more prominent, because I right now it looks like a mistake instead of a design decision. Also, and this is purely Earthbound observation, it seems odd that that the hands have three digits and the feet four. I don't recall the original costume's feet, though. Again, it's an alien, so this is perfectly acceptable.
Evolving extra digits, or some becoming vestigial isn't all that uncommon amongst earth creatures as it is a comparatively (as far as having visible anatomical effects) common beneficial/non-harmful mutation and one could assume the same holds true to varying extents in alien life-forms. Besides, there could easily be a little claw nub or the like hidden in the fur around the wrist.
Good stuff mate, but some of your observations are incorrect, although I can see how you came to some conclusions
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Okay, I'm taking a lot of interest in this canine-like creature, which I've never seen before.
I don't suppose anyone knows where I can view any footage or stills of the original?
Maurice is right though about the hands. If they are different, as in akin to a fiddlers crab, the difference should be more prominent. Perhaps one would be an obvious claw arm, with intimidatingly big claws, used for fighting, while the other is smaller, with smaller claws, more naturally dexterous, and used more for handling objects.
Though I suppose since it is a drawing, making changes would require starting all over from scratch, which I know can be a frustrating and time consuming, so I guess this is just something to learn from.
These two pages of screen captures at TrekCore present the beastie pretty well.
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=88&page=24
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=88&page=25
Yes, that's the creature the Keeper telepathically manifested, trying to startle Pike from his throttling assault.
In the "Menagerie" version, those shots were cut, instead leading directly to the Talosians' entrance through the doorway.
Sincerely,
Bill
No mate it does not need to be larger... if it were too large, a biped would fall over. it just needs to be larger by a percentage, not a huge one, just some. it is more massive, and easily seen that it is asymmetrical, but not so much as it would be ridiculous... after all, he's not Nightmare from Soul Caliber, or even a Tyrant from Resident EvilGood stuff mate, but some of your observations are incorrect, although I can see how you came to some conclusions
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Okay, I'm taking a lot of interest in this canine-like creature, which I've never seen before.
I don't suppose anyone knows where I can view any footage or stills of the original?
Maurice is right though about the hands. If they are different, as in akin to a fiddlers crab, the difference should be more prominent. Perhaps one would be an obvious claw arm, with intimidatingly big claws, used for fighting, while the other is smaller, with smaller claws, more naturally dexterous, and used more for handling objects.
Though I suppose since it is a drawing, making changes would require starting all over from scratch, which I know can be a frustrating and time consuming, so I guess this is just something to learn from.
. I used a fiddler crab as an example as it shows asymmetry, but their body design (being wide and low, rather than tall and thin) allows for a greater degree of size differential. All living organisms on Earth possess asymmetry, ranging from the subtle to the extreme. No need to go on any further on the matter. As for the number of toes vs fingers, again, look to nature, firstly, Dinosaurs(practically all of them... I know this for a fact as I have a masters in Vertebrate Paleontology, specializing in comparative morphology)... next would be Birds(again, being descendants of theropods of the maniraptoran lineage, they would have to be), next; anteaters, armadillos, spider monkeys to name a few (even Dogs and Cats can have this condition). Some reptiles such as certain snakes mainly of the boa family, as they have remnants of hind limbs in the form of a claw but no fore limbs.
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