Memory Wall scene?

[trevanian]

Hey, if they'd actually built the super-sized Enterprise of STXI, maybe they'd have been able to squeeze Khan's fake chest inside. Stranger things have happened.

Even Mr. Montalban swore it was actually HIS chest...

People lie. Does anyone believe he didn't wear a wig (as Khan *and* in real life)?

Ignoring the fact that this image is reversed, I'd like someone to explain why his sternum is so wide, or what those black lines beneath his pecs are all about:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/bonus_twokhd/farewell/farewell016.jpg

It's either the worst make-up job in the world, or there's something more than make-up going on. That necklace and shoulder strap are probably in service of something more than simple costuming, too.

Further, Ricardo Montalban said he got into shape by doing "lots of push-ups". It's almost a non-answer. No-one gets their chest into that condition without serious gym work, least of all a man in their sixties.

Call me a cynic if you wish (I prefer the term realist), but I remain unconvinced.

The thing that makes it look odd in the film is that the top he wears has some support effects, so it makes his real chest look a bit too high, like a modern boob job. It is his real chest alright... look at the terrible quality of makeup effects in the film, and how bad they are photographed. No way that Keppler and Rescher could make a fake appliance look good on film, no way at all.

And Montalban was showing less well-preserved skin than similar-aged-but-in-shape Kirk Douglas did in SATURN III a couple years earlier (and no, please don't ask for screencaps, they will sear your eyes.)

EDIT ADDon: the line you mention in the pic is a bad shadow on the NATURAL sag-line of a guy breast or a small natural chick boob. Check out PLAYBOY issues from the 70s (not centerfolds, more like the 'girls of' parts) and you'll see plenty of natural small boobs that look this way.

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[JarodRussell]

Soo..this thread is not really about the memory wall..right?

The memory wall merged with Khan's chest to form a new level of consciousness.

 

[QuasarVM]

Soo..this thread is not really about the memory wall..right?

The memory wall merged with Khan's chest to form a new level of consciousness.

It's the Memory Chest. You poke it...punch it...and it retains it's buff shape!

 

[Cryogenic]

LOL, guys!

Perhaps I shouldn't argue this out too much, but . . .

EDIT ADDon: the line you mention in the pic is a bad shadow on the NATURAL sag-line of a guy breast or a small natural chick boob. Check out PLAYBOY issues from the 70s (not centerfolds, more like the 'girls of' parts) and you'll see plenty of natural small boobs that look this way.

That's all well and good. Unfortunately, not only does the thick black line look less like a sag-line but more like a gap or pencil mark, but Khan's right pectoral (actually, his left, given that the image is laterally inverted) has not one but two lines. Look again. Then there's the other thing I said: he has an exceptionally wide sternum. I still think there's some kind of trickery occurring. Also, take a gander at this shot:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twokhd/twokhd0817.jpg

Note that there is an usual lump/bump/ridge along Khan's right shoulder. It doesn't look like any kind of collar bone I know. Maybe it's an errant shadow, but it looks more like the edge of an appliance that has momentarily slid up as Khan strains himself in a heated moment. Then again, I don't have the DVD to hand (and certainly not the Blu-ray), so perhaps someone could run this scene in slow-mo and see if anything comes up (pardon the pun)?

The thing that makes it look odd in the film is that the top he wears has some support effects, so it makes his real chest look a bit too high, like a modern boob job. It is his real chest alright... look at the terrible quality of makeup effects in the film, and how bad they are photographed. No way that Keppler and Rescher could make a fake appliance look good on film, no way at all.

AHA! You're onto something. If anything could avert suspicion, it would be the sheer God-awful-ness of the production. We're talking about a movie that uses stickers for set decoration, FFS:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok/ch5/twok0274.jpg

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twokhd/twokhd0120.jpg

(And over vacu-plastic radiators, at that!)

And Montalban was showing less well-preserved skin than similar-aged-but-in-shape Kirk Douglas did in SATURN III a couple years earlier (and no, please don't ask for screencaps, they will sear your eyes.)

I won't! But in fairness: Douglas must have been doing something right to have lasted all this time!

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