Members of the Federation.

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Deranged Nasat, Feb 8, 2014.

  1. Deranged Nasat

    Deranged Nasat Vice Admiral Admiral

    The update, it come!

    Founding states (2161):

    • 1. United Earth (Earth, Luna, Titan, plus many other colonies): Spawnworld of the Human Horde.
    • 2. Vulcan Confederacy of Surak (Vulcan, T’Khut, Cor Caroli IX, Sigma Draconis V, Vulcanis Lunar Colony, Trilan, Nisus). Vulcans. Copper-blooded humanoids of the "Vulcanoid" sub-type.
    • 3. Andorian Empire (Andoria [Fesoan, Twin Moons of Andor], Alrond, Cimera III, Syrinx III, Threllvia IV, Weytahn): Andorians (racial variants include Talish, Aenar). Blue-skinned people with pale hair and antennae. The Andorian Empire withdrew from the UFP in 2382, but returned in 2385.
    • 4. United Planets of Tellar (Tellar Prime, Brantik, Hakon, Maeglin; strong cultural and economic ties to non-member colony Kharzh’ulla): Tellarites. Robust porcine humanoids.
    • 5. Alpha Centauri Concordium (Alpha Centauri III, IV and VII): Independent Human world.
    • 6: Confederated Martian Colonies (Mars): Independent Human colony, large Tellarite colonial population, others.
    • 7: Vega IX: Independent Human world.
    • 8: United Worlds and Colonies of Rigel (Rigel II, III, IV, V, VI, VIII, IX, X, XII). Jelna, Zami, Chelon (natives), Xarantine, Coridanite, Human, Orion, others (colonists), collectively: Rigellian.
    Prior to the 2260s, these states have joined; the Federation as of TOS and Vanguard, basically:
    • 9: Alpha Proxima II: Human colony that became powerful or populous enough to get Council representation.
    • 10: Plutocracy of Ardana: Ardanans. Apparently a strategic member, not really playing by the rules. After the controversy concerning its class divisions in the 2260s, it pulled out of the Federation, but eventually came back.
    • 11: Argelius: Argelians, humanoid pacifists, sometimes empathic. Joined in the 2240s-50s. Courted for strategic position and popularity as a shore-leave planet.
    • 12: Arken: Arkenites. A former Andorian subject world; Arkenites are stoic, bald, pointy-eared people who were being courted as members as early as 2162.
    • 13: Aurelia: Aurelians, bird people.
    • 14: Axanar: Axanar, long-lived reptilian methane-breathers.
    • 15: Cait (Cait, Kirisha IV): Caitians; cat people. They apparently leave and come back on a whim (presumably people call up the Caitian Councillor and ask him/her “will you be attending today, or have you left again? You’ve left? Okay, see you the session after next”).
    • 16: Cygnet (Cygnet XII, Cygnet IV, Cygnet VIII colony is joint authority with Earth): Matriarchal, emotionally demonstrative humanoids with skin that can be white, beige, purple, mauve, etc.
    • 17: Deltan Union (Dhei AKA Delta IV, Brannik IV): "Deltans" (Dhei'tan); Sexually mature people who have been inward-looking for the last few centuries, turning their back on their era of colonization; still feud with non-member Carrea over those old holdings.
    • 18: Denobula (Denobula, Teerza Prime, Fellebia, Matalas): Optimistic, patient humanoids with ridged faces. Courted as early as 2162, resisted at first due to differing positions on genetic augmentation.
    • 19: Icor IX: Icorians, purple humanoids.
    • 20: Ithen: Ithenites, little bronze humanoids in fezzes. Active in the local trading/shipping community since the 2150s.
    • 21: Izar: A primarily Human colony prosperous or populous enough to claim Council membership.
    • 22: Makus III: Makusians, tall brown humanoids with floppy ears.
    • 23: Ramatis III: Ruled by a deaf royal family. Federation colonies existed in the Ramatis system as early as 2260s.
    • 24: Regulus (Regulus II, III, V, moons of Regulus VI): Mixed-race colonies.
    • 25: Risan Hedony: Ris(i)ans. Joined in the late 22nd Century.
    • 26: Sauria: "Saurians", goggle-eyed reptilian humanoids. They have many, many trade partners.
    • 27: Scoridia: These people remain a mystery, but are said to be members.
    • 28: Tiburon: Flap-eared humanoids known for their technological and medical breakthroughs, despite or because of a schizophrenic relationship with science.
    • 29: Trill (Trillius Prime, Sappora VIII, Shal Tul). Secretive but relatively influential member.
    2260s: Something tells me Kirk and Co Have A Lot To Do With This Part
    • 30: People’s Republic of Coridan (Coridan Prime, others). Coridanites. Membership: 2267.
    • 31: Janus VI: Horta, plus Human mining colonists.
    These members have joined by the period of 2270s-2290s
    • 32: Aaamazzara: Aaamazzarites.
    • 33: Efros: Efrosians, tight-knit humanoids from an icy world.
    • 34: Kashet: Kasheeta, dinosaur people.
    • 35: Kazar: Kazarites, ecologically sensitive furred quasi-humanoids.
    • 36: Pacifica: "Selkie", aquatic people. Pacifica (located deep in the Taurus Reach) was supporting offworld Federation-aligned colonies in the 2260s.
    • 37: Zaranai: (AKA Zaran II): Fluorine-breathers (only not really).
    • 38: Huan: Huanni, emotional, ethereal purple people.
    • 39: Vestios (Vestios Prime, Vestios II, Vestios V): Vestians.
    Early 24th Century: By the time Picard is on Stargazer, these members have joined:
    • 40: Atrea IV: Atreans, humanoids with large sculpted ears.
    • 41: Betazed (Betazed, Darona): Betazoids, mind-reading Humanoids. Began working in and with the Federation around the 2290s.
    • 42: Bolarus (Bolarus IX, Myrmidon): Bolians, blue, bald people. They were apparently first courting membership in the 2260s, begin appearing in Starfleet in the 2270s-80s. By the 24th century, a major economic power within the Federation.
    • 43: Dedderei: Dedderac. Black and white striped slight-framed Humanoids.
    • 44: Gnala: Gnalish. Lizard-like, like bipedal iguanas.
    • 45: Grazer: Grazerites. Herbivorous, apparently horned Humanoids. They graze, presumably.
    • 46: Pandril: Pandrilites, big blue bulky Humanoids.
    • 47: Peliar Zel: Its two moons are not members, and cause headaches for the planet. Peliar, beige-yellow thick-skinned beings with nice hats.
    • 48: Pentam V. Pentamian. First contact was in the 2260s.
    • 49: Pythagos Clans: Inhabitants unknown.
    • 50: Tandar (Tandar Prime, Pyrellia, Kemsar): Tandarans, humanoids with a lot of interest in time travel.
    • 51: Threllvia: Unknown inhabitants.
    • 52: Alonis: Alonis. Telekinetic aquatic people.
    • 53: Pahkwa: Pahkwa-thanh, dinosaur people.
    • 54: Antede III: Antedeans, fish people.
    • 55: Benzar: Benzites, meticulous, disciplined amphibian people.
    • 56: Cairn: Telepathic Humanoids that speak in images.
    • 57: Delta Sigma IV: Bader and Dorset colonists.
    • 58: Lendrin: Race where females and young bond very closely.
    • 59: Evora: Evorans. Emergency war-time protectorate, fast-tracked.
    • 60: Ona (AKA Ontail): Ontailians, octopus-sloth people. An emergency war-time member that doesn't really get the whole "united federation" thing.
    • 61: Third Republic of Bajor (Bajor, Andros, Dreon VIII, Free Haven, Golana, Prophet’s Landing, Valo, Velestral): Bajorans.
    • 62: Koa: Koas, spider people.
    Other Members as of 2385 (membership dates unknown, scattered all over the place but mostly 24th Century)
    • 63: Andros III: Androsians. Hair-dying cyclopean Humanoids.
    • 64: Antares VIII: Its native name is very long and complicated. One of the most distant member worlds.
    • 65: Antos IV: Antosians.
    • 66: Arbazan: Arbazan. Sexually conservative Humanoids.
    • 67: Arvada III: Former colony, now full member.
    • 68: Asarion: Asarion. Gender-shifting refugee settlers.
    • 69: Beta Antares (Antaran homeworld?): Ships are built here. Membership prior to 2311.
    • 70: Bilana III: Bilanan. Grey-skinned craggy-faced humanoids.
    • 71: Bre’el IV: Bre'ella. Overly stiff and formal humanoids.
    • 72: Bynaus: Bynars, a diminutive cyborg race.
    • 73: Caldos II: Former colony, now a member world.
    • 74: Candelar IV: Candelarian. Backwater charity case from Deny Thy Father. Membership: 2350s.
    • 75: Carnegie: Multi-species world.
    • 76: Cestus III: Colony with Council representation.
    • 77: Damiano: Damiani, three-sexed horned people. Membership: Protracted admissions process, 2340s-2371.
    • 78: Delb II: Delbians, humanoid.
    • 79: Deneva (Denevan Diaspora, Ingraham B): Majority Human colony, promotion to Council unknown.
    • 80: Draylax: Draylaxians. The Romulans well and truly trashed it; presumably it rebuilt.
    • 81: Elas
    • 82: Troyius (assuming they have separate representation).
    • 83: Gallima: Gallimites, people with transparent skulls. Membership is unknown (contacted as early as the 2250s).
    • 84: Gemworld: Artificial crystal planet with six races living on it; Lipul, Elaysian, Alpusta, Frill, Yiltern, Gendlii.
    • 85: Hekaras II: They imposed a speed limit on us.
    • 86: Hermat Directorate (Hermat, Amphibalus III): Hermats, which believe it or not are hermaphrodites.
    • 87: Inferna Prime: Dark-skinned, orange-eyed people.
    • 88: Iotia: Iotians, who are now all Chicago gangsters.
    • 89: Ktar: Ktarians. With the Federation, but Maquis sympathisers. Seem in general a politically unstable people.
    • 90: Lorillia: Lorillians, Humanoid people who breathe different atmospheres as children (somehow).
    • 91: Magna Roma: Romans... IN SPACE! Even more so than the Romulans.
    • 92: Medusan Homeworld: Medusans. Non-corporeal, the only known non-corporeal member race.
    • 93: Meldrar I: Apparently non-humanoid people.
    • 94: Napea: Napean. Swollen-headed empathic people.
    • 95: Nasat: Nasat, cowardly pillbug people.
    • 96: Ochat: Ochati. Grey-skinned.
    • 97: Oriki: Oriki. Meerkat people. Membership: 2340s or 50s.
    • 98: Rhaandarel: Rhaandarites, a long-lived rule-abiding people. Membership: unknown, likely late 23rd Century.
    • 99: Selene: Seleneans. Quasi-humanoid at best, but shift to a humanoid form around other Federation members.
    • 100: Sulamid: Sulamid, tentacled things.
    • 101: Tessen III: "Tessenite", unknown if this is a species or not.
    • 102: Triex: Triexian. Three-legged, long-necked pink people.
    • 103: Tyrellia: Tyrellian. No atmosphere, which doesn’t bother them, apparently.
    • 104: Valzhan: Valzhan. Amber noseless people.
    • 105: Vobilin: Vobilite, red, tusked people. Membership: early on.
    • 106: Xindi Diaspora (New Xindus, Azati Prime, etc.): Membership: at least the 2350s.
    • 107: Zakdorn (Zakdorn, Qualor II): Zakdorn; fussy, beaurocratic people.
    • 108: Zalda (Zalda, Ricktor Prime): Zaldans, brutally truthful people. Membership: Originally said to be 2280, later retconned to circa 2330s-40s. Maybe Piniero meant to say “half century” when she said “century”?
    • 109: Zanri: Inhabitants unknown. Membership: at least 2377.
    That's 109 out of 155, not including former members Kerovi (left, 2378) and Selelvia (kicked out, 2376. shoulda listened to Gimli on that one, guys).

    Colonies that may well have Council representation, like Vega, Deneva, Izar, Cestus III and Alpha Proxima II have:
    • Aldebaran III,
    • Archer (Archer IV, IX),
    • Berengaria VII
    • New Paris
    • Tau Ceti (Tau Ceti Prime, III, IV - unknown if Kaferia is ever a member, or just an ally),
    • Terra Nova
    • Sirius IX
    Very likely members: Algol, Ana'Siuol, Arcadia, Canopus Planet, Centrelis, Guidon Pontificate, Kreetassa, Pangea, S’ti’ach’aas, Terrelia, Tygar, Tyrus.

    Additional possible members include: Antica, Aulac, Betelgeusian Argosies, Binderia, Casperia Prime, Choblav, Cyrel, Deneb Kaitos, Halii, Kandilkar, Lembatta Prime, Matern, Mestiko, New Halana, Selay,, Syr, Tesnia, Thelusia, Valakis, Zarin
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  2. Enterprise1701

    Enterprise1701 Commodore Commodore

    Mar 24, 2014
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    The Klingon Empire will probably be a member state by the mid 26th century.
  3. Sci

    Sci Admiral Admiral

    Mar 2, 2002
    Montgomery County, State of Maryland
    Awesome updated list, Deranged Nasat!

    Maybe? To be honest, I think the prospect of the Empire joining the Federation suggests several intriguing questions about Federation Membership.

    To start with, I think we can probably take it for granted that for the Empire to join, it would need to transform into some form of liberal democracy, and that it would need to liberate its conquered worlds and peoples -- either by accepting them as equals within its new, liberal democratic incarnation, or by granting them their independence.

    But even granting all that -- the prospect of the Empire joining suggests questions about size. Would the Empire be required to sunder itself, with different, newly-separated sub-polities joining as unique Federation Members in their own right? Or would the whole Empire join at one Member State?

    If the latter, that may a bit troubling. It would essentially mean that the entire Klingon state would have the same amount of representation on the Federation Council as a single-planet state -- say, Peliar Zel or Bre'el. This would make a Peliar Zel citizen's vote worth a great deal more than a Klingon's -- would that really be right or fair? (The classic big state vs. small state debate about the U.S. Congress on an interstellar scale!) And on top of that -- such a large Klingon polity within the Federation could end up dominating it in social and economic terms, if not in strict political terms.

    (One might compare it to, say, the United Kingdom joining the United States. Would the entire U.K. join as a single polity, or would England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland all join as separate states? Would the U.S. join Canada all as a single province, or would each U.S. state join as a separate Canadian province?)

    I do find myself wondering not only if the Federation has population size minimums for its prospective Member States -- but also size maximums.z


    My speculation, assuming that the Klingons do join by the 26th century as suggested in "Azati Prime" (ENT):

    Maybe in the process of converting to liberal democracy, the Empire voluntarily split itself off into several different Klingon states, while also granting independence to their jeghpu'wI. The Klingon Empire is now a shrunken polity, encompassing Qo'noS and several other systems, but is not nearly so large as it once was. The reduced Klingon Empire has joined the Federation, along with some former jeghpu'wI polities and other Klingon states, but some Klingon states and former jeghpu'wI remain independent.
  4. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Feb 24, 2005
    ETA: Yikes. Is this entering speculation/story idea territory? Well, spoiler-coding my post, just to be safe, even though I don't think it has anything the authors would need to worry about...

    Your speculation is essentially how I envision the Klingon Empire joining the Federation, Sci. I can't imagine the Federation would allow them to join as long as they don't have at least some form of democratic government and continue to occupy and exploit multiple worlds populated by other sentient species. I imagine there would be some sort of referendum, or something, in which the Klingon people would choose whether or not to join the Federation, but before doing so the Empire would have to grant independence to their jeghpu'wI', which would then be offered the opportunity to choose whether or not they wish to remain independent or perhaps even join the Federation themselves as separate and equal members.

    I also agree that not all Klingon worlds would probably agree to join. Perhaps some worlds would split off and form a new empire, or perhaps there would be multiple new empires (though none would likely be as powerful as their precursor). If the latter scenario does happen, I expect the sundering of the Klingon Empire to involve some violence (mostly internally, as various Houses jockey for position after the Qo'noS-led faction joins the Federation). I can't imagine that such a split would be completely amicable; there will always be a few conservative warhawks who'd find the very idea of the Empire joining the Federation repugnant.

    It would certainly be a fun scenario to see play out, some day. Too bad it's likely at least several decades away in the current novel continuity.
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  5. Markonian

    Markonian Commodore Commodore

    Jun 2, 2012
    Yorkshire, UK
    In STO, the Klingons granted the Gorn King a non-voting seat on the High Council following the conquest of the Gorn Hegemony in the early 25th century.

    By 2409, the Klingon Empire has gone multispecies, as one can see on the streets of Qo'noS and in the Klingon Defense Force. Members of alien species can rise to become generals in the KDF. The Klingon ambassador to the Federation is a Gorn.

    Imperial member species include the Gorn, Nausicaans, Orions, Ferasans (offshoots of the Caitian Diaspora) and Letheans. The Orions were admitted by negotation. Apparently, the Ferasans weren't conquered either.

    The Letheans have applied for membership in the Klingon Empire but the Klingons aren't interested yet (STO: The Needs of the Many). Both the Federation and the Klingons are coveting for alliance (and eventual absorption) of the Deferi and the Romulan Republic.

    Concerning the Romulans, Proconsul D'tan seeks to build New Romulus into the new home of the socially equal Romulan and Reman people(s), and reunification with the Vulcans on an equal standing (i.e. when the Romulan Republic has sufficiently prospered and crushed the Tal Shiar-run RSE).

    This is just one timeline of the ST multiverse. It may happen in the novelverse, or not, but it occured in the STO timeline already. Just sayin'.
  6. Deranged Nasat

    Deranged Nasat Vice Admiral Admiral

    I believe that the comment from Daniels is ambiguous: "Vulcans, Andorians, Ithenites, Klingons". While that does seem to imply that the Klingon state has joined in the manner of Vulcan, Andor and Ithen, it could just mean that there's a sizable Klingon population within the UFP by the 26th Century. Maybe some Klingon planets are permitted to secede from the Empire and join the Federation? Perhaps there's even an official joint citizenship thing going on?

    As an aside, I wonder why Ithenites are mentioned. Does this imply that Ithen will become a very prominent or powerful member for some reason? Or was Daniels referencing them because Archer would know them as a trading species in local space, and their membership would be a useful illustration of what the UFP will be/will accomplish?

    Of course, now that slipstream drive is a reasonably reliable technology, I expect the 26th century UFP to be highly decentralized, with pockets of space all over the galaxy...
  7. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    My interpretation of Daniels in DTI: Watching the Clock is that he's prone to lying about the future so that he doesn't give away too much. (I mean, students building time machines in grade school? Come on!)
  8. Enterprise1701

    Enterprise1701 Commodore Commodore

    Mar 24, 2014
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    Well in "Azati Prime" a starship utilizing the Vor'cha class model is seen in the Battle of Procyon V. I interpret that as the Vor'cha class's design lineage continuing into post-Klingon admission Starfleet vessels. But Sci makes a good point. I think that prior to admission the Empire would have to grant independence to its jegh'pu'wI.
    I might be wrong about this, but in MU: Rise Like Lions,
    isn't Duras portrayed as being assessed by Memory Omega to be a moral Klingon? Such as being anti-slavery? If he can allow that, then I have hope for prime reality 26th century Klingons.
    On a different note, in DS9: Fearful Symmetry,
    Benjamin Sisko speaks with several alternate Siskos. One of them is "Admiral Sisko", widower and hero of Wolf 359, whose Federation by 2377 had long since absorbed the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Tzenkethi, and the Breen.
  9. Sci

    Sci Admiral Admiral

    Mar 2, 2002
    Montgomery County, State of Maryland
    Quick question, Deranged Nasat. Why do you refer to the Vulcan state as the "Vulcan Confederacy of Surak" when the ENT:ROTF novel explicitly establishes its formal name as "the Confederacy of Vulcan?"
  10. Deranged Nasat

    Deranged Nasat Vice Admiral Admiral

    I think I got it from the Star Charts planetary profiles, which of course I disregard where they conflict with the novels, so I'm unsure why I let that through. I suppose I'd just decided on my own whim that "Confederacy of Vulcan" was, I don't know, the Canada to "Vulcan Confederacy of Surak's" Dominion of Canada, or something? Quite possibly unjustified of me; I don't think VCoS has been used in any novel.

    The names "Deltan Union", "People's Republic of Coridan" and "Risan Hedony" come from the Star Charts, too; I use them until a novel contradicts them. Though I discarded some other names, like "Fifth House of Betazed", since the novels have Houses meaning something different, and "Trill Symbiosis", because while there's something appealing about the Trill being sly as well as secretive, it still seemed silly to me.
  11. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    I'm amazed that anyone would've thought "Fifth House of Betazed" was the name of the government. It's obviously meant to be a familial lineage of the nobility or gentry. I mean, really, if the Fifth House referred to all of Betazed, why would it be special enough for Lwaxana to take such pride in being its daughter?

    And "Trill Symbiosis"? That's bizarrely inappropriate for a whole different set of reasons.
  12. Deranged Nasat

    Deranged Nasat Vice Admiral Admiral

    Indeed. Which is why I'm glad the novels have gone with the latter explanation. I'm assuming that the Star Charts just threw that in as a proposed name because it's the closest that canonical Trek had come to establishing anything formal regarding Betazed's leadership?

    I do think the three I listed work well. "Deltan Union" appeals to the ideal of unity that's important in so many ways to the empathic, sensual Deltan culture, the Risans might well term themselves a "Hedony" since their entire culture has come to revolve around their reputation as a super-accommodating, super-liberal erotic holiday destination (good marketing being key, one assumes) and "People's Republic of Coridan" has the nice ring of "aw, bless them, they're really trying", given the Coridanites' history of unrest, social inequity, civil war and general butt monkey status.
  13. Enterprise1701

    Enterprise1701 Commodore Commodore

    Mar 24, 2014
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    I dislike how the background graphics of Star Trek Into Darkness say that the (new) Vulcan state based out of New Vulcan in AR 2259 is the "Confederacy of Surak". Surak was only one person in all of Vulcan history! Where's the logic in naming a state after only one person? One person isn't responsible for the entirety of a civilization no matter how important they were. His name isn't even part of the homeworld's name! Not even Klingons call themselves something like "Imperial Kahless State".
  14. Sci

    Sci Admiral Admiral

    Mar 2, 2002
    Montgomery County, State of Maryland
    Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up! And of course, it is possible that the Vulcan state later changed its name -- Massachusetts didn't call itself the Commonwealth of Massachusetts until well after the U.S. Constitution was ratified, IIRC...

    For what it's worth, I seem to recall that the Corps of Engineers novella The Future Begins establishes the Risian (not Risan) state's name to be "the Risian Hedony." (Scotty is granted honorary Risian Hedony citizenship after some virtuous engineering of their planetary weather network, the details of which I can't recall.)

    I agree that "Trill Symbiosis" sounds like a terrible name for the Trill state.

    Though I will admit that, in my own musings, I've occasionally speculated that maybe certain ceremonial aristocratic Betazoid lineages are referred to as the "First House of Betazed," "Second House of Betazed," etc, with the entire Betazoid state being known simply as "the House of Betazed." That is absolutely just me speculating, though -- mostly for the purposes of the Excel file I keep of Federation Member States, their capitals, their heads of government, etc. (Deranged Nasat's awesome list is way more entertaining than mine, though -- and will be pretty useful to use in comparison!)


    I agree that it's silly, but I can't say I can bring myself to care overmuch. It's just an illegible graphic. I don't consider it any more canonical than I do the giant hamster in a wheel powering the Enterprise-D on their Master Systems Display in engineering. (Though I think they following the precedent set by 2003's Star Trek: Star Charts, which also established the Vulcan state as "the Confederacy of Surak." Did Geoffrey Mandel work on the Into Darkness graphics?)

    I do, however, have a thought on those graphics that may blur into story idea territory:

    I wonder if perhaps the unrest on Andor reported by those graphics in AR 2259 is related to the Andorian reproductive crisis? The crisis seems not to have reached overt levels until the 24th century in the prime timeline, but who knows what kinds of domino effects the Narada's impact on the history of the AR might have prompted to happen between AR 2233 and AR 2259? Maybe Laibok was being hit by riots because the Alternate Reality's Andorian Science Institute was already proposing altering the Andorian genome by then.
  15. Enterprise1701

    Enterprise1701 Commodore Commodore

    Mar 24, 2014
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    Well, the graphics are sufficiently visible on Blu-Ray to make it to Memory Alpha.

    I don't get why they say "Andoria Prime". That seems redundant to me. I think in the past it's been the "Andorian system". But I'm pretty sure that the Andorian name for the binary Procyon star has never been given, and it's not even called Andor, Andoria, Andoro, Andorus, Ando, etc. by humans/Starfleet.

    For the story idea you suggested, I suppose it's plausible but I don't think the film producers have any concern for the novels or lesser known things like that from Star Trek. After all they didn't see fit to have any Andorians in Star Trek Into Darkness let alone to canonize the 4 Andorian genders.
  16. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    And the curtains of a stage are visible to the audience in the theater. That doesn't mean they're meant to be taken literally as part of the fictional world the story takes place in. They're just part of the decoration.

    Movies aren't meant to be watched in freeze-frame. They're meant to be experienced viscerally in real time. Set decorations are just background texture whose purpose is to contribute to the impressions you get while watching the film live. If you later review it frame-by-frame, that's not part of the original experience that the decorations were created to serve. It's a separate exercise in analysis, tantamount to going backstage after a play and studying the backdrops and rigging.
  17. Sci

    Sci Admiral Admiral

    Mar 2, 2002
    Montgomery County, State of Maryland
    Pfffft. Memory Alpha accepts every damn thing they can read on a Blu-Ray with a magnifying glass.

    Actually, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman have talked about how they really enjoyed a lot of Trek novels, including our own Christopher's Ex Machina.

    Anyway, the point was to say that it fits, not that it's intentional.
  18. Ríu ríu chíu

    Ríu ríu chíu Fleet Admiral Admiral

    May 10, 2005
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    We all know what kind of a planet Risa is, but am I the only one who thinks "Risian Hedony" is just about the silliest name for a planetary government that Trek has had? :guffaw:
  19. Deranged Nasat

    Deranged Nasat Vice Admiral Admiral

    I want to know what the Pakled state is called. :p
  20. Ríu ríu chíu

    Ríu ríu chíu Fleet Admiral Admiral

    May 10, 2005
    Mr. Laser Beam is in the visitor's bullpen
    ^ Confusion?

    srsly though: "Hedony" is, IMHO, a stupid name for a government. Hedonism is the pursuit of pleasure, we all know it. But that's not what a government is for. I realize the writers (whoever thought that up) were trying to be cute, but come on.