Measuring success with box office earnings is flawed.
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it wasnt a good film??
so what 90 plus percent of critics were wrong about the film????
any way as an old line star trek film there were some of the trek themes present.
did we have the search for new life and new civilization no, but unfortunately most of trek films were sadly lacking in that.
but, it did have the trek theme of people overcoming their differences to over come.
and that great theme that kirk went around preaching to all those stagnant civilizations.
that one has to strive.
i still think part of the problem is that some fans dosnt feel as special because it has broken through and has become so popular not just with mainstream critics but a lot of casual fans.
though others might want to city on the edge of forever type film but blind to that only 20 percent of trek was up to that quality.
most of it was good but only a few were fantastic.
so what 90 plus percent of critics were wrong about the film????
any way as an old line star trek film there were some of the trek themes present.
did we have the search for new life and new civilization no, but unfortunately most of trek films were sadly lacking in that.
but, it did have the trek theme of people overcoming their differences to over come.
and that great theme that kirk went around preaching to all those stagnant civilizations.
that one has to strive.
i still think part of the problem is that some fans dosnt feel as special because it has broken through and has become so popular not just with mainstream critics but a lot of casual fans.
though others might want to city on the edge of forever type film but blind to that only 20 percent of trek was up to that quality.
most of it was good but only a few were fantastic.
With this kind of hype and brilliant reviews around STXI, it's hard to believe STXII will do any better. Also, the franchine has to reach wider audience internationally to become a safe invest.
So, I think they will probably get the "standard" 100-150 million.
Keep in mind that unless they start everything from sctrach, the expensive CGI model work and the sets are already there and perhaps the production won't need that much money (wishful thinking).
"It was never necessary to stray so far from the original formula."
Have you watched TOS, season 1, "Arena," lately? A man in a Lizard costume chases Kirk around a sandlot for 40 minutes until he makes a cannon out of dirt and bamboo chutes. The original formula is more present in Abram's version than most Trek in recent years.
Have you watched TOS, season 1, "Arena," lately? A man in a Lizard costume chases Kirk around a sandlot for 40 minutes until he makes a cannon out of dirt and bamboo chutes. The original formula is more present in Abram's version than most Trek in recent years.
If you're going to put 150 million - more or less - into something that's been as tepid at the box office as Star Trek you sure as hell do need to "stray from the original formula."
In fact, it's still rather remarkable that the studio was willing to gamble more than 25 cents on another Star Trek project. The people who backed this out there are being called geniuses this week, no question ("genius" in this context just means "You did something the bosses like so I want to be your best friend ever, today").
The refinery and brewery shoots were decisions made for a variety of reasons, not because Abrams "ran out of money." If you want to look at it from a certain sideways POV most films "run out of money" in the sense that they spend their budgets and look for ways to extend what they get for that money.
Likelihood is that the next Trek movie will have a bigger budget - that's the pattern, now, with sequels to successful blockbuster films.
In fact, it's still rather remarkable that the studio was willing to gamble more than 25 cents on another Star Trek project. The people who backed this out there are being called geniuses this week, no question ("genius" in this context just means "You did something the bosses like so I want to be your best friend ever, today").
The refinery and brewery shoots were decisions made for a variety of reasons, not because Abrams "ran out of money." If you want to look at it from a certain sideways POV most films "run out of money" in the sense that they spend their budgets and look for ways to extend what they get for that money.
Likelihood is that the next Trek movie will have a bigger budget - that's the pattern, now, with sequels to successful blockbuster films.
"It was never necessary to stray so far from the original formula."
Have you watched TOS, season 1, "Arena," lately? A man in a Lizard costume chases Kirk around a sandlot for 40 minutes until he makes a cannon out of dirt and bamboo chutes. The original formula is more present in Abram's version than most Trek in recent years.
Exactly. People don't seem to quite understand this.
I dunno. I think the time is right for Miami Vice II.
"It was never necessary to stray so far from the original formula."
Have you watched TOS, season 1, "Arena," lately? A man in a Lizard costume chases Kirk around a sandlot for 40 minutes until he makes a cannon out of dirt and bamboo chutes. The original formula is more present in Abram's version than most Trek in recent years.
This completely nailed it!
Box office earnings is a measure of sucess certainly but it is not the best measure of how well a film was received. Some can be inferred by people going back to view it a second time and word of mouth but generally you shell out your bucks before you see it.
The audience of 2009 is not the audience of 1966, or 1979 or 1986.
Movies have to be action-packed, thrill rides. In that case, Star Trek has no place in movies. The old Trek. Your cerebral Trek is reserved for television series. This movie did what it was supposed to do. Put asses in seats and have them tell their friends. Don't look for thought provoking themes in a 2009 movie.
Movies have to be action-packed, thrill rides. In that case, Star Trek has no place in movies. The old Trek. Your cerebral Trek is reserved for television series. This movie did what it was supposed to do. Put asses in seats and have them tell their friends. Don't look for thought provoking themes in a 2009 movie.
Ok if not in dollars then how about in reviews, it has the best reviews from every major movie review site, both from critics and movie goers.
Big Box Office Earnings and Excellent Reviews = Success
To say otherwise is YOUR personal opinion, the facts speak for themselves and are irrefutable.
It boggles my mind that a Star Trek fan would want this movie to fail in reviews and at the Box Office so it wouldn't be a success
What type of fan is that? In MY opinion that person isn't true fan anymore, if they really feel that way.
Either that or your one of those really selfish fans that's doesn't want to share with the new generation, that are being introduced to Trek
Sorry, But it is, what it is. But I think there is maybe only 1% of people like that posting to this board anyway, and they may soon be chased away.
We are the Trek fans, Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated
Big Box Office Earnings and Excellent Reviews = Success
To say otherwise is YOUR personal opinion, the facts speak for themselves and are irrefutable.
It boggles my mind that a Star Trek fan would want this movie to fail in reviews and at the Box Office so it wouldn't be a success
What type of fan is that? In MY opinion that person isn't true fan anymore, if they really feel that way.
Either that or your one of those really selfish fans that's doesn't want to share with the new generation, that are being introduced to Trek
Sorry, But it is, what it is. But I think there is maybe only 1% of people like that posting to this board anyway, and they may soon be chased away.
We are the Trek fans, Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated
It is possible that there is this resistance, because the Star Trek some fans knew will no longer just be theirs.
In Liverpool, a portion of Beatles fans didn't like them anymore when they went mainstream and got popular beyond that city.
Could be the same thing here.
In Liverpool, a portion of Beatles fans didn't like them anymore when they went mainstream and got popular beyond that city.
Could be the same thing here.
Blue - I've been a fan now for about 30 years (wow! I feel old typing that!), and I've been surprised by how many fans have come into Star Trek, yet don't seem to really display the ideals it showcased.
I've seen sexists, racists, narrow-minded, exclusionary and lots of other people become fans, and not at all change their views or want to.
(I don't point to anyone here, I am only mentioning fans who I have known over time).
I've seen sexists, racists, narrow-minded, exclusionary and lots of other people become fans, and not at all change their views or want to.
(I don't point to anyone here, I am only mentioning fans who I have known over time).
It's basic group psychology.
If you're off in a little group of your own, you're either in a ghetto or a club.
The only way you can prove it's a club is to refuse some people entry.
Ergo...
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