Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
Isn't that sort of the concept behind Lost? Waitaminute...
Isn't that sort of the concept behind Lost? Waitaminute...
Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a sequel
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Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
I would say to all of these questions that after seeing an alien with pointed ears, a ship that flies in space with 400 people on it faster than the speed of light, and possible (probable?) alien menaces like a vampire space cloud, suspension of disbelief has to kick in somewhere.
I would say to all of these questions that after seeing an alien with pointed ears, a ship that flies in space with 400 people on it faster than the speed of light, and possible (probable?) alien menaces like a vampire space cloud, suspension of disbelief has to kick in somewhere.
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
Arrrrgggghhhhhhhhh I accidently clicked it.....the torture....the torture.....
Arrrrgggghhhhhhhhh I accidently clicked it.....the torture....the torture.....
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
I've never seen LOST.
I've never seen LOST.
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
Now I remember where I have read this premise before! Recently, I had to read about a third of Brian Herbert's and Kevin J. Anderson's Hunters of Dune (I really head to, it was part of a job ...), where they clone all the great hero's of the past ...
So, if we wan't to find out how shitty Trek could be, lets hire Anderson to write this clone wars script. How about the bad guys cloning Hitler? Than Oliver Hirschbiegel could direct! And afterwards, The Wachowskis could mess further with it ...
Oh my god, now I have that picture stuck in my mind ...
Now I remember where I have read this premise before! Recently, I had to read about a third of Brian Herbert's and Kevin J. Anderson's Hunters of Dune (I really head to, it was part of a job ...), where they clone all the great hero's of the past ...
So, if we wan't to find out how shitty Trek could be, lets hire Anderson to write this clone wars script. How about the bad guys cloning Hitler? Than Oliver Hirschbiegel could direct! And afterwards, The Wachowskis could mess further with it ...
Oh my god, now I have that picture stuck in my mind ...
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
Believe it or not, that's actually been my hope. Spock encounters a parallel universe, very much like the one he remembers, where his old crew is just beginning their adventures. Now that would be the road I would have taken, if asked to run the franchise. Of course, that is likely one of the many reasons my phone isn't ringing.
John
Believe it or not, that's actually been my hope. Spock encounters a parallel universe, very much like the one he remembers, where his old crew is just beginning their adventures. Now that would be the road I would have taken, if asked to run the franchise. Of course, that is likely one of the many reasons my phone isn't ringing.
John
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
As outrageous as the OP was, the writer had a good point. (which SeamusShameless and Temis the Vorta hit upon also) which is this: If Nimoy's parts of this take place post-Nemesis, and he has a genuine and bona fide story which advances Star Trek lore towards the 25th century, while at the same time we see a backstory of the 23 century, then at what point does this become a prequel and not a sequel. What if both Nimoy's 24th century plotline and Quinto's 23rd century plotline are equally important to the whole of Star trek? Will we base it on how much time each story was given in the movie? -- 61 minutes of Quinto vs. 59 minutes of Nimoy?
I honestly think we will see much more of Quinto's Spock than we will of Nimoy's Spock (probably 80% Quinto, 20% Nimoy), but if Nimoy does more than just "bookend" this film, and his part of the plot is meaningful, the question could still be asked...is this a Prequel, a Sequel, or a combination of the two.
As outrageous as the OP was, the writer had a good point. (which SeamusShameless and Temis the Vorta hit upon also) which is this: If Nimoy's parts of this take place post-Nemesis, and he has a genuine and bona fide story which advances Star Trek lore towards the 25th century, while at the same time we see a backstory of the 23 century, then at what point does this become a prequel and not a sequel. What if both Nimoy's 24th century plotline and Quinto's 23rd century plotline are equally important to the whole of Star trek? Will we base it on how much time each story was given in the movie? -- 61 minutes of Quinto vs. 59 minutes of Nimoy?
I honestly think we will see much more of Quinto's Spock than we will of Nimoy's Spock (probably 80% Quinto, 20% Nimoy), but if Nimoy does more than just "bookend" this film, and his part of the plot is meaningful, the question could still be asked...is this a Prequel, a Sequel, or a combination of the two.
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
Technically, a sequel is just a story written or published after an original work but in the same canon. "Prequel" is a bit of a bastardization of language, since on it's own, both "se-" and "-quel" are essentially meaningless — so substituting "se-" with "pre-" ought to produce absolutely nothing save gibberish, which is all "prequel" is.
Of course, new words are hardly ever consistent with their Latin roots, and now that "prequel" has been popularized, the two words have taken on separate definitions. A "sequel" is no longer a piece of fiction published after an original work in the same canon — now that events described in the narrative must take place after the events of the original.
Your point further spells out the inadequacy of the term, but this time from a creative perspective. Non-linear storytelling has become very popular. Sequels that employ this technique — using the original criterion of simply being published after — cannot accurately be described by either term using the new definitions.
For my money, this movie is a sequel, either way.
Technically, a sequel is just a story written or published after an original work but in the same canon. "Prequel" is a bit of a bastardization of language, since on it's own, both "se-" and "-quel" are essentially meaningless — so substituting "se-" with "pre-" ought to produce absolutely nothing save gibberish, which is all "prequel" is.
Of course, new words are hardly ever consistent with their Latin roots, and now that "prequel" has been popularized, the two words have taken on separate definitions. A "sequel" is no longer a piece of fiction published after an original work in the same canon — now that events described in the narrative must take place after the events of the original.
Your point further spells out the inadequacy of the term, but this time from a creative perspective. Non-linear storytelling has become very popular. Sequels that employ this technique — using the original criterion of simply being published after — cannot accurately be described by either term using the new definitions.
For my money, this movie is a sequel, either way.
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
Who's your dealer, dude? That stuff is off the wall.
Who's your dealer, dude? That stuff is off the wall.
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
The entire movie being set in the Mirror Universe or parallel universe has already been done with Star Trek:Enterprise.
The entire movie being set in the Mirror Universe or parallel universe has already been done with Star Trek:Enterprise.
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
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I agree. I have said before that I don't want this to be simply Nimoy thinking back, reminiscing about old times, or telling someone a story. I think that would be wasting the golden opportunity the utilize Nimoy in a meaningful story. I would like to see Nimoy on a important mission that would require us to know some vital information from his past. This would not be "someone thinking back", but a 'Lost'-style backstory. The present-day story and the backstory would have equal importance with regards to the overall plot.
Lost's non-linear story-telling style is much better, in my opinion, than the clichéd "reminiscing about old times". I would say a film such as this could only be considered a sequel.
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I agree. I have said before that I don't want this to be simply Nimoy thinking back, reminiscing about old times, or telling someone a story. I think that would be wasting the golden opportunity the utilize Nimoy in a meaningful story. I would like to see Nimoy on a important mission that would require us to know some vital information from his past. This would not be "someone thinking back", but a 'Lost'-style backstory. The present-day story and the backstory would have equal importance with regards to the overall plot.
Lost's non-linear story-telling style is much better, in my opinion, than the clichéd "reminiscing about old times". I would say a film such as this could only be considered a sequel.
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
This is what passes for a paradox nowadays?
Christ, times sure have changed.
In my day a paradox was if I go back in time and kill my grandfather...now it's just if another actor plays the same character...
This is what passes for a paradox nowadays?
Christ, times sure have changed.
In my day a paradox was if I go back in time and kill my grandfather...now it's just if another actor plays the same character...
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
Marty: Mom, is that you?
Lorraine: There, there, now, just relax. You've been asleep for almost 9 hours now.
Marty: I had a horrible nightmare, dreamed I went back in time, it was terrible.
Lorraine: Well, you're safe and sound, now, back in good old 1955.
Marty: 1955? You're my ma- you're my ma.
Lorraine: My name's Lorraine, Lorraine Baines.
Marty: Yeah, but you're uh, you're so, you're so thin.
Lorraine: Just relax now Calvin, you've got a big bruise on your head.
Marty lifts up the sheet - his jeans are gone!
Marty: Ah, where're my pants?
Lorraine: Over there, on my hope chest. I've never seen purple underwear before, Calvin.
Marty: Calvin, why do you keep calling me Calvin?
Lorraine: Well that's your name, isn't it? Calvin Klein? It's written all over your underwear.
Lorraine: Oh, I guess they call you Cal, huh?
Marty: Actually, people call me Marty.
Lorraine: Oh, pleased to meet you, Calvin Marty Klein. Do you mind if I sit here?
Marty: No, fine, no, good, fine, good.
Lorraine: That's a big bruise you have there.
Marty: Ah.
Stella: Lorraine, are you up there?
Lorraine: My God, it's my mother. Put your pants back on.
Marty: Mom, is that you?
Lorraine: There, there, now, just relax. You've been asleep for almost 9 hours now.
Marty: I had a horrible nightmare, dreamed I went back in time, it was terrible.
Lorraine: Well, you're safe and sound, now, back in good old 1955.
Marty: 1955? You're my ma- you're my ma.
Lorraine: My name's Lorraine, Lorraine Baines.
Marty: Yeah, but you're uh, you're so, you're so thin.
Lorraine: Just relax now Calvin, you've got a big bruise on your head.
Marty lifts up the sheet - his jeans are gone!
Marty: Ah, where're my pants?
Lorraine: Over there, on my hope chest. I've never seen purple underwear before, Calvin.
Marty: Calvin, why do you keep calling me Calvin?
Lorraine: Well that's your name, isn't it? Calvin Klein? It's written all over your underwear.
Lorraine: Oh, I guess they call you Cal, huh?
Marty: Actually, people call me Marty.
Lorraine: Oh, pleased to meet you, Calvin Marty Klein. Do you mind if I sit here?
Marty: No, fine, no, good, fine, good.
Lorraine: That's a big bruise you have there.
Marty: Ah.
Stella: Lorraine, are you up there?
Lorraine: My God, it's my mother. Put your pants back on.
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Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
"Sprequel" -- the best and most accurate description anyone has given.
"Sprequel" -- the best and most accurate description anyone has given.
Re: Maybe it's not a prequel or a reboot, but actually a seq
No, it's a Nyquil - it'll put everyone to sleep.
No, it's a Nyquil - it'll put everyone to sleep.
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