Marvel Studios may be planning more MCU for the small screen
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^ That they are getting diversity sooner rather than later?
Right, but I'm interested in your preferences. I'm aware of the counter arguments anyway, but the discussion of everyone's preference is a good way to figure out the best course of action.
When we were discussing Daredevil and it being gritty, you expressed your personal opinion that you would prefer a lighter tone, similar to Mark Waid. You didn't, instead, argue why the producers could reasonably choose the tone they ended up choosing. You advocated for a position based on personal preference. I wouldn't mind hearing that here. I fully understand that they could change things, my point, based on personal preference (since everything is subjective) is it would detract from the overall quality by changing some things that make the character fun.
Right, but I'm interested in your preferences. I'm aware of the counter arguments anyway, but the discussion of everyone's preference is a good way to figure out the best course of action.
When we were discussing Daredevil and it being gritty, you expressed your personal opinion that you would prefer a lighter tone, similar to Mark Waid. You didn't, instead, argue why the producers could reasonably choose the tone they ended up choosing. You advocated for a position based on personal preference. I wouldn't mind hearing that here. I fully understand that they could change things, my point, based on personal preference (since everything is subjective) is it would detract from the overall quality by changing some things that make the character fun.
I know jack squat about this version of Ms. Marvel, but from what I read in places like this, it sounds like the main reason for the "hero worships the original Ms. Marvel" angle is to draw a connection to the character who previously used the name. If the MCU doesn't have a previous Ms. Marvel, then that angle can be reworked. For example, the girl could have invented the name herself or based it on somebody who's a comic book character in the MCU. That Carol Danvers is slated to be Captain Marvel in the MCU neatly sidesteps the issue of needing to draw a connection between the two characters, especially if the codenames are downplayed, which is becoming something of a trend for live action superhero properties these days.
Not when it comes to writing. The only preferences that matter there are the writer's. Other people may think that an idea is terrible, but only because they don't understand the writer's inspiration. Once they actually see it and grasp how it works, they may change their minds. The worst thing writers can do, usually, is pander to what they think their audience wants or expects. Good writing surprises the audience and does things that never would've occurred to them.
So my preferences are irrelevant here because they aren't informed preferences. They're just initial impressions. If something seems odd to me, that doesn't mean I think it's wrong and shouldn't be done; it just means that I can't currently see how it could work. But I'm open to finding out.
No, I expressed a personal preference. It would be arrogant for me to pretend that my personal likes and dislikes should somehow dictate what others are allowed to do. I have no right to demand or expect that. They're free to do whatever they want; all I can do is hope that it's something I'd enjoy. I wasn't "advocating" for that any more than saying "I hope it doesn't rain today" is advocating for a change in weather policy.
And you know what? Daredevil gave me just what I was hoping for. Sure, there was a lot of Milleresque grittiness in the stories, but I found plenty of Waid-style humor and warmth in the character interplay, and I found it very satisfying. They found a way to make the show work in a way that embodied both the Miller era and the Waid era, and that's the best possible thing they could've done. I never wanted them to choose one at the expense of the other; I just hoped they'd include the parts I liked in the mix along with the parts that other people like, and they did.
But the things they replace them with could be equally fun. Or not. We can never really know until we see what they actually had in mind.
That's an excellent point.
What I think would be cool is if they introduced Monica Rambeau as the original Captain Marvel of the MCU, as a supporting character in some near-term movie or show. Then both Kamala and Carol could model themselves on her or inherit her legacy or whatever. Then you'd still have the legacy-character angle, but in a way that would elevate the often-overlooked Monica into a more prominent role. And maybe Monica could then continue in the MCU under one of her other code names.
One black guy as a lead character does not in-and-of-itself fulfil a current need for more diversity. It's a step in the right direction for sure, but that's no reason to hold back a Ms. Marvel show.
As others have stated, her links to Danvers are not intrinsic to the character, it's just a jumping off point that could easily be supplemented with a hero worship of Black Window, Thor, even Sif or just the Avengers in general.
It's basically the equivalent of Batman drawing some inspiration from Zorro. It's present in most versions of the character, but you don't miss anything if it's never mentioned, or supplemented by something like The Grey Ghost in the animated series.
Well, it also comes down to views over image. The very first thing she does is transform into her idol, which is a white woman with blonde hair. But she realizes her own identity (which includes her race) is an important thing for her. It's part of her journey to becoming a hero. It's easy for her to play pretend and pretend to be someone else. It's much harder to choose to become her own hero with her own identity.
Maybe it's a small point, but I thought it was a very effective point from the first issue. It said something about race and identity (as well as the assumption of what the "default hero" looks like according to society and pop culture) and it turned all that on its head without making any overt political statements - instead, it just focused on the hero's journey.
^But she could still do all of that without a pre-existing Carol Danvers Ms. Marvel...she could base her initial look on a fictional character, someone she's known, her Barbie dolls, or just what she sees as a cultural ideal. She doesn't need Carol Danvers specifically as her example to decide to transform into a blonde bombshell.
Right, but it comes off as making due under the circumstances rather than picking the best option.
She could model herself on Black Widow, if they were willing to pay ScarJo extra for a TV appearance.
I don't think that needlessly waiting to set up Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel is the best option. This version of Ms. Marvel can just be the Ms. Marvel in the MCU.
And that's cool and awesome, but nothing about that requires the character she idolizes to be Carol Danvers. It could just as easily be Black Widow, or Peggy Carter, or any other white character, and the emotional arc would be the same.
So here's the latest supposed unofficial schedule of the Marvel Netflix shows. Worth noting that Charlie Cox is just kind of guessing (though you'd think they're rather educated guesses, assuming he's been in talks about various filming schedules). Also worth pointing out that he's talking about filming dates, not broadcast release dates.
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=44112
Plans can change, but for now it seems like we'll see the Marvel Netflix shows released around the following times:
Jessica Jones - end of 2015
DD season 2 - March-June 2016
Luke Cage - March-June 2016
Iron Fist - end of 2016
Defenders - March-June 2017
If they're already talking about filming DD Season 2 and either Cage or Iron Fist at the same time, then it's logical to hope that there may indeed be more room for further expansion of the Marvel Netflix shows. We could see DD Season 3 or Jessica Jones 2 before Defenders, or if they wanted, they could squeeze Punisher or Moon Knight or whatever other characters they wanted in there.
Of course if they wait to start filming Defenders until the beginning of 2017, there'd almost certainly be something else between Iron Fist (assuming Cage comes first) and Defenders.
I'll admit that I may be in the irrational exuberance mode right now. Even if we only get the precise ones that have already been announced, that'd still be excellent. But more would be more excellent.
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=44112
Plans can change, but for now it seems like we'll see the Marvel Netflix shows released around the following times:
Jessica Jones - end of 2015
DD season 2 - March-June 2016
Luke Cage - March-June 2016
Iron Fist - end of 2016
Defenders - March-June 2017
If they're already talking about filming DD Season 2 and either Cage or Iron Fist at the same time, then it's logical to hope that there may indeed be more room for further expansion of the Marvel Netflix shows. We could see DD Season 3 or Jessica Jones 2 before Defenders, or if they wanted, they could squeeze Punisher or Moon Knight or whatever other characters they wanted in there.
Of course if they wait to start filming Defenders until the beginning of 2017, there'd almost certainly be something else between Iron Fist (assuming Cage comes first) and Defenders.
I'll admit that I may be in the irrational exuberance mode right now. Even if we only get the precise ones that have already been announced, that'd still be excellent. But more would be more excellent.
It does indeed seem that they have a metric to determine each show's individual success, hence DD season 2's announcement. We had been a bit unsure if we'd have to wait for a S1 on all of them before getting any S2 confirmations
A possible introduction of a Punisher, Moon Knight, Shang Chi or Night Thrasher in future seasons of any of the shows who could be included by the time Defenders debuts is an exciting possibility. Despite playing fast & loose with the Defenders roster Punisher would surely not be included IF this type scenario played out. The others though I could go for.
A possible introduction of a Punisher, Moon Knight, Shang Chi or Night Thrasher in future seasons of any of the shows who could be included by the time Defenders debuts is an exciting possibility. Despite playing fast & loose with the Defenders roster Punisher would surely not be included IF this type scenario played out. The others though I could go for.
A number of sites have been picking up on an article today that listed a ton of names as possible future Marvel television shows. I would strongly encourage people to take that whole thing with a grain of salt. There's nothing definitive in there, and it's more speculation than news.
For anyone that didn't see it, names mentioned include: Punisher, Ghost Rider, Blade, Cloak&Dagger, Ms Marvel, Hulk prequel, Hawkeye, Black Widow, etc
The piece mentioned so many characters that's it highly likely that some of them will eventually show up as shows from Marvel television, but by giving such a huge list, it's tough to take it at all seriously. That said, we've heard just about all of those characters mentioned for tv shows previously, so at least the piece was a nice summation.
For anyone that didn't see it, names mentioned include: Punisher, Ghost Rider, Blade, Cloak&Dagger, Ms Marvel, Hulk prequel, Hawkeye, Black Widow, etc
The piece mentioned so many characters that's it highly likely that some of them will eventually show up as shows from Marvel television, but by giving such a huge list, it's tough to take it at all seriously. That said, we've heard just about all of those characters mentioned for tv shows previously, so at least the piece was a nice summation.
WhileI love the Marvel movies I detest AOS. I haven't seen daredevil yet or Agent Carter. My one worry is that they are going to really going to overdo this and the quality will go down or boredom will start to set in. The last Avenger movie for instance wasn't near as good as the first and I grew bored midway through. Too much of this stuff will start to have its negatives.
What the hell would a Hulk prequel series even look like? I mean shows like Smallville and Gotham (barely) worked because there's still a diverse supporting mythology to draw on prior to the protagonist becoming the hero. It's no accident that Gotham's first scene was the murder of the Waynes and that Smallville started with Clark discovering his emergent powers and finding out his true nature.
Hulk has none of that. It'd be as pointless a pre-spider bite Peter Parker series. Neither Banner nor Parker had anything interesting going on until the inciting incident that turned them into something other than what they were.
Besides, would Ruffalo even be willing to do a TV show?
So yeah, can't say I'm really buying that.
Now Punisher on the other hand I can defiantly see working. Street level, manageable budget with more reliance on stunt action and gritty crime drama than special effects. very much compatible in tone to Daredevil.
Ghost Rider...possible, but perhaps a little too expensive to pull off for a TV budget. Or not. Honestly I'm not familiar enough with the comic to have a clear idea of how a Ghost Rider show would work, format wise.
Of course Blade would work, that's easy. They've already done it once. No clue if it was any good mind since I never bothered to catch it when it was on. Still, the premise is solid and again, would compliment Daredevil & (potentially) Punisher quite well.
Can't really see someone of Scarlett Johansson's box office calibre slumming it on TV, even for a mini-series. Unless of course she just *really* wants to play Black Widow and isn't about to hold out for a solo movie.
I honestly know next to nothing about Cloak & Dagger beyond their design, so I really don't have an intelligent opinion on the matter.
Likewise I haven't read any of the new Ms. Marvel, so I don't know what the format and tone could look like. Regardless, as I've said further up the thread, it seems perfectly doable without having Carol Danvers already established.
Even if this report has no real credence, I'm sure at this point Marvel are just playing with ideas regardless. That said, if I had to put money on it, it'd be on Blade, Punisher and Cloak & Dagger. The first two because they're already known brands that would have good synergy with both the Netflix shows and even AoS. As for the latter: I gather the characters are usually portrayed young and it stands to reason that Marvel might want to target that young teen demographic with something other than the new Spider-Man.
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Maybe they mean a series that covers Banner's origin and the five years that are already part of his backstory when we meet this version of the character in The Incredible Hulk. Which is probably just some fanboy's wishful thinking...no need to go back there IMO.