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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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Of course, we have James D'arcy appearing in both Endgame and VisionQuest but that doesn't fit in with certain people's tunnel vision.

Content doesn't determine Canonicity.

James D'Arcy's appearences in Endgame and VisionQuest notwithstanding Marvel Studios has excluded Agent Carter from the MCU Canon as currently constituted.
 
There is no way I'd be willing to pay full price to see a movie I've already seen multiple just for 4 minutes of new footage. Hell even if it was an hour I'd have trouble justifying it when there are so many movies coming out I haven't seen at all, but there is absolutely now way I'm doing it for only 4 minutes.
Joe Russo says it's "required" viewing.

How about no, Joe?
 
In the context of this thread at the moment and the question that was asked, Yes, it matters.
Content doesn't determine Canonicity.

James D'Arcy's appearences in Endgame and VisionQuest notwithstanding Marvel Studios has excluded Agent Carter from the MCU Canon as currently constituted.
Nah.

Here's the thing.

99% of all viewers, from casual viewers to hardcore fans, do not care about canon. It's only a small subset of people who obsess over it. Or simply obsess about pointing out what is or what isn't canon.

That's the greatest lesson I got as a Trekkie. At the end of the day, it does not matter as long as you enjoyed that piece of entertainment.
 
Nah.

Here's the thing.

99% of all viewers, from casual viewers to hardcore fans, do not care about canon. It's only a small subset of people who obsess over it. Or simply obsess about pointing out what is or what isn't canon.

That's the greatest lesson I got as a Trekkie. At the end of the day, it does not matter as long as you enjoyed that piece of entertainment.
Exactly this. And, at this point, Kevin Feige has pretty objectively and definitively demonstrated that in his vision of things, it's all "MCU" -- 616, 828, 838,10005, 96283, 120703, the "What If..?" timelines-- all of it. That the Marvel Cinematic Universe is a "universe" in the storytelling sense, not in the literal sense.

I mean even if I were to concede that Agent Carter wasn't 616 proper, it's obviously still a part of the larger MCU, as demonstrated by the continued use of James D'arcy. I've long said that as a viewer, my perspective on the MCU is that I'm sitting in the 617 universe, a universe exactly the same to the 616 in every way, except that includes Agents of SHIELD season 1 through 5, Agent Carter, Cloak and Dagger, Runaways and, yes even Inhumans (which has also been acknowledged in the multiversal sense). It's still the MCU.

The Netflix shows used to be part of my 617. Look at them now.

To continue to insist that these stories, whether part of a specific timeline or not, are not part of the larger story despite the deliberate use of the same actors playing the same characters, is looking at the story in the microscopic rather than the macroscopic. The story is being told from a much larger perspective than a single timeline or universe.
 
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It isn't, though.

Brad Winderbaum's public comments on the topic made that clear.

As I said, you're looking at the story microscopically rather than macroscopically. In the same manner that you looked at my comments and latched on to the one thing that you felt you could build an argument on rather than addressing the point I was trying to make; that the MCU is not one single contained timeline. It truly is, as once advertised, "all connected", but on a scale even larger than we originally believed.

The MCU is a multiverse. We've had a television and several movies built upon the premise that the MCU contains multitudes. Is it truly your position that Agent Carter exists nowhere in that multiverse?
Yes, that  will be his argument.
 
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The following are, officially, the only Multiverse-related projects that exist within the MCU:
1. Loki
2. What If?
3. Spider-Man: No Way Home
4. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
5. Deadpool and Wolverine
6. Marvel Zombies

The more than 20 non-MCU projects that have been referenced by official MCU projects like No Way Home and Deadpool and Wolverine do not officially exist within the MCU, but stand alongside it separately.
 
It isn't, though.

Brad Winderbaum's public comments on the topic made that clear.
The following are, officially, the only Multiverse-related projects that exist within the MCU:
1. Loki
2. What If?
3. Spider-Man: No Way Home
4. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
5. Deadpool and Wolverine
6. Marvel Zombies

The more than 20 non-MCU projects that have been referenced by official MCU projects like No Way Home and Deadpool and Wolverine do not officially exist within the MCU, but stand alongside it separately.
Thank you for proving my point.
 
Yeah, that was my first time I saw her something, and then she was in the Hawkeye comics where she fought Kate Bishop in LA. And I think I've seen her in one or two other things fighting other characters.
No.

The MCU Fandom Wiki considers it to be Canonical, but Marvel Studios does not, and they (Marvel Studios) are the "final word" on the subject.

In the context of this thread at the moment and the question that was asked, Yes, it matters.
If that was about my question, no it really doesn't matter, I was only talking about where Madame Masque has appeared, with no mention whatsoever of canon. And I couldn't care less about canon.
Maybe you try not speaking other people, or if you feel that you absolutely must, then it might be a good idea to make sure that what you're saying is actually accurate.
Of course, we have James D'arcy appearing in both Endgame and VisionQuest but that doesn't fit in with certain people's tunnel vision.

Content doesn't determine Canonicity.

James D'Arcy's appearences in Endgame and VisionQuest notwithstanding Marvel Studios has excluded Agent Carter from the MCU Canon as currently constituted.
To be fair to him, I checked the preview for the Official Timeline book on Amazon, and it includes the Agent Carter short, but not the series. But at the same time, I believe it is included in the MCU chronological order listing on Disney+'s Marvel page, so that and the continued us of James D'Arcy as Jarvis would makes it a little ambiguous.
 
To be fair to him, I checked the preview for the Official Timeline book on Amazon, and it includes the Agent Carter short, but not the series. But at the same time, I believe it is included in the MCU chronological order listing on Disney+'s Marvel page, so that and the continued us of James D'Arcy as Jarvis would makes it a little ambiguous.
The official timeline doesn't really line up very well with a lot of what's been established in the MCU, so even though it's "official," seeing as it's frequently incorrect, I've elected to ignore it.

I don't think there's any real way to reconcile Agent Carter the show and Agent Carter the One-Shot, so I'll take the show. At least the first season, which featured the direct involvement of Kevin Feige, Joe Russo (who directed one episode), and Christopher Markus & Steven McFeely, who helped develop the series and wrote the pilot.
 
The official timeline doesn't really line up very well with a lot of what's been established in the MCU, so even though it's "official," seeing as it's frequently incorrect, I've elected to ignore it.

I don't think there's any real way to reconcile Agent Carter the show and Agent Carter the One-Shot, so I'll take the show. At least the first season, which featured the direct involvement of Kevin Feige, Joe Russo (who directed one episode), and Christopher Markus & Steven McFeely, who helped develop the series and wrote the pilot.
Feige, Markus and Mcfeely were executive producers for the entire run of the show
 
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