Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Mage]

Casablanca, The Maltese Falcon, It's a Wonderful Life, Godzilla, King Kong, The Day the Earth Stood Still, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Plan 9 From Outer Space, Citizen Kane, Hamlet, Macbeth, Great Expectations, The Wings of Desire--none of those? And those are just from my DVD collection.

I am hardly the one to agree with Digificwriter, but....

Just because it's old, black and white, considered a classic and often very good.... Doesn't mean it should interest someone. He never said they were bad. Just not his interest.

I sometimes go to EDM festivals with an ex girlfriend. I love it. I hardly listen to it at home, but there, I am at home. But I have no interest in listening to it because I love (hard)rock, some metal, grunch, that kinda Viking themed new age rock stuff. Classic 80's powerballads. Lots of other stuff.
She has no interest in that kinda music. Nor does she really listen to music at home. She just loves to dance. The stuff I love has no interest to her. She never said it was bad.

 

[Jayson1]

That's true. I mean I am not big on subtitles. Still their are still some movies with subtitles I like. RRR being a recent example. Makes sense to be to always be open to the exceptions to the run.

 

[Weyoun 251]

Isn't that how it was in the comics?

I haven't read them so can't speak to it but would make sense if it was

 

[theenglish]

I am hardly the one to agree with Digificwriter, but....

Just because it's old, black and white, considered a classic and often very good.... Doesn't mean it should interest someone. He never said they were bad. Just not his interest.

The difference between film and music is that the music is the point of the art whereas colorized vs. black and white film is not. People made B and W movies because that is where the technology level was. It is like if you said that you never listen to music that was recorded in an analog studio. It's just an ignorant thing to say. EDIT: Yes, I know people have used Black and White as an artistic choice.

 

[Christopher]

The difference between film and music is that the music is the point of the art whereas colorized vs. black and white film is not. People made B and W movies because that is where the technology level was. It is like if you said that you never listen to music that was recorded in an analog studio. It's just an ignorant thing to say.

What's ignorant is dismissing black and white cinematography as merely a lack of technology, rather than a distinct visual language with its own strengths. That's like saying charcoal pencil is inferior to crayons -- or, to continue your music analogy, to say that a string quartet is inferior to a full orchestra. No. It's just different. The great thing about art is that there's no "better" or "worse" way to do it, just different tools and media that can all be great in their own ways.

 

[JD]

That's true, but for the majority of black and white movies and shows, it was not an artistic choice, it's all that was available to them at the time.

No interest



No interest



Hate



Haven't really seen a lot of Kaiju media, but if I were going to watch Godzilla stuff, it would be Colorized



Saw Peter Jackson's remake, but otherwise have no interest in Kong



Old-time Sci-Fi holds no real appeal for me



No interest



I like Shakespeare, but there aren't many direct Filmic adaptations that interest me, and if I were going to watch Adaptations that I've not seen before, they'd be in Color anyway



No interest

You have no interest in any of them? Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's a pretty wide variety of genres and styles in that list, and I would think most people could find at least one thing in there that would interest them.
To add a even more variety, what about the original Universal Monster movies, Dr. Strangelove, or The Marx Bro.'s movies.
I guess it just seems strange to me to completely rule out such a broad variety of movies. I could see not liking a specific genre or style, but black and white is a huge category that covers pretty much every genre and style you can imagine.

 

[Weyoun 251]

Watching some with a modern viewpoint spoils things at times - there is nothing slightly scary about Nosferatu when you watch it these days - but when you let yourself in with an open mind then these films still tell great stories and did a hell of a lot with limited technology

Was quite cool a few years back - The Prince Charles cinema screened Nosferatu with a like musical accompaniment and it was fantastic

 

[Christopher]

That's true, but for the majority of black and white movies and shows, it was not an artistic choice, it's all that was available to them at the time.

So what? Every art form is shaped by the tools it uses, whether by choice or by availability. Beethoven didn't have synthesizers. Shakespeare's acting troupe didn't have throat mikes. So what? They still created art commensurate with the tools they had, and its style was distinct from that of art created with different tools. The choice is not in the medium, the choice is in how they use it, in what techniques they invent to make the most of the available tools.

And if anything, less technology often requires greater creativity and innovation. Creating images with only light and shadow requires using light and shadow in ways that color filmmakers don't have to, because they have other tools. That makes it a distinct visual language, a distinct set of tools and modes of expression. That's why people are saying that Spider-Noir in black-and-white isn't an authentic recreation of real noir cinematography -- because there is so much more to it than just the absence of color.

 

[JD]

Oh, I thought you were saying that filming in black and white was always purely an artistic choice.

 

[Weyoun 251]

So what? Every art form is shaped by the tools it uses, whether by choice or by availability. Beethoven didn't have synthesizers. Shakespeare's acting troupe didn't have throat mikes. So what? They still created art commensurate with the tools they had, and its style was distinct from that of art created with different tools. The choice is not in the medium, the choice is in how they use it, in what techniques they invent to make the most of the available tools.

And if anything, less technology often requires greater creativity and innovation. Creating images with only light and shadow requires using light and shadow in ways that color filmmakers don't have to, because they have other tools. That makes it a distinct visual language, a distinct set of tools and modes of expression. That's why people are saying that Spider-Noir in black-and-white isn't an authentic recreation of real noir cinematography -- because there is so much more to it than just the absence of color.

Dude - Beethoven didn't even have working ears! Talk about setting the difficulty settings to max there and he basically nailed it 100% completion!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Oh, I thought you were saying that filming in black and white was always purely an artistic choice.

Three-strip Technicolor (Process 4) was introduced in the early 1930s. From then on, in most cases, the decision of whether to make a color or black-and-white film has been influenced by financial considerations. When it wasn't affordable, it wasn't that color wasn't theoretically available.

 

[Christopher]

Oh, I thought you were saying that filming in black and white was always purely an artistic choice.

I'm saying it's ignorant to dismiss it as purely a lack of technology. The counterpoint to one oversimplification is not the opposite oversimplification, it's the recognition that life is more complicated than that.

 

[JD]

I thought once Wizard of Oz came out pretty much every movie after that was color, but looking at the release dates I see now that pretty much every movie we've mentioned other King Kong came out after Oz, so I guess that wasn't the case.

 

[theenglish]

I thought once Wizard of Oz came out pretty much every movie after that was color, but looking at the release dates I see now that pretty much every movie we've mentioned other King Kong came out after Oz, so I guess that wasn't the case.

It took until the 60s until the technology was cheap enough to produce almost all movies in colour. 60s television series were a mix of both until the late sixties. That's about thirty years, which is the time it took for a lot of other tech like cell phones or home computers to become ubiquitous.

 

[Weyoun 251]

It took until the 60s until the technology was cheap enough to produce almost all movies in colour. 60s television series were a mix of both until the late sixties. That's about thirty years, which is the time it took for a lot of other tech like cell phones or home computers to become ubiquitous.

I'd imagine a further factor was simply that many households still didn't have colour TV at that point and so it wasn't high priority.

Apparently in the UK you weren't far off being able to count the number on one hand and we didn't start regularly broadcasting in colour until 1967.

End of the day if your audience can't see it why spend the money - it is kind of like 3d productions.

The tech for 3d filming has been around a long time but at a home level it just never became economical as the tech didn't take off properly for home viewing.

I remember they tried doing sports in 3d at one point and you were having to buy glasses to watch the footy in the pub - the actual visuals just looked naff (corners especially looked bizarre) and it was an inconvenience and a cost that bars just didn't fancy carrying.

Now obviously colour did take off hence the change but we all know the only colour that matters in Hollywood is green

 

[theenglish]

I'd imagine a further factor was simply that many households still didn't have colour TV at that point and so it wasn't high priority.

Apparently in the UK you weren't far off being able to count the number on one hand and we didn't start regularly broadcasting in colour until 1967.

End of the day if your audience can't see it why spend the money - it is kind of like 3d productions.

The tech for 3d filming has been around a long time but at a home level it just never became economical as the tech didn't take off properly for home viewing.

I remember they tried doing sports in 3d at one point and you were having to buy glasses to watch the footy in the pub - the actual visuals just looked naff (corners especially looked bizarre) and it was an inconvenience and a cost that bars just didn't fancy carrying.

Now obviously colour did take off hence the change but we all know the only colour that matters in Hollywood is green

I think you're exactly right on that. It's not just about cost...it's practicality cultural acceptance. Of course color televisions were costly. It wasn't until the 80s that I had a color television in my home.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Color broadcast signals were backwards compatible with black-and-white TVs, so people with black-and-white TVs were never per se left out of color shows. While most households were watching in black-and-white and that was expected to continue, there was a strong argument that money spent on color would be wasted. On the other hand, when the turning point came into sight, there was an argument to scale up color production to control aggregate cost and invest to get a jump on the future. According to Wikipedia, 1972 was the first year when more than half of US households with a TV had a color TV [link].

 

[theenglish]

Color broadcast signals were backwards compatible with black-and-white TVs, so people with black-and-white TVs were never per se left out of color shows. While most households were watching in black-and-white and that was expected to continue, there was a strong argument that money spent on color would be wasted. On the other hand, when the turning point came into sight, there was an argument to scale up color production to control aggregate cost and invest to get a jump on the future. According to Wikipedia, 1972 was the first year when more than half of US households with a TV had a color TV [link].

Thinking about it I remember I also had a black and white television from 1989 to 1994--I was a student and it was still a lot cheaper than a colour one. In 1995, when I had my first job I splurged and bought a second hand colour television. My first flatscreen was in 2009.

 

[Samurai8472]

Looks like Peter was able to upgrade apartments between movies. This looks way more spacious than anything he can afford right now. I guess they thought he couldn't operate in an apartment that small for story purposes

Brand New Day Pizza Party

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You’re invited to a Webberoni Pizza Party at Peter Parker's apartment! Swing by for an exclusive tour of the hero's home as you discover easter eggs from the new movie and try the new Webberoni pizza from Little Caesars.

 

[JD]

Yeah, that does look awfully nice for a young, single person who probably doesn't have a ton of money living in NYC.