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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Jayson1 said:
Which Earth is this one?

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Listening to that soundtrack, I'm reminded of this song.

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Timelord79 (he/him) said:
Is Sony hesitant to use the Kingpin in current Spider-Man content because they would have to use the Daredevil version?
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No.

Timelord79 (he/him) said:
They couldn’t make a version that is not tied to the MCU and appear outside of that context.
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Actually, they could.

They also could have absolutely used Spider-Man, be it Tom Holland's version or a completely different version, in their standalone films, but deliberately opted not to.

Vincent D'Onofrio wants Sony to hire him, but is mistaken about why they haven't. He thinks that they legally can't, but the truth of things is that they've simply chosen not to up to this point in time.
 
DigificWriter said:
No.



Actually, they could.

They also could have absolutely used Spider-Man, be it Tom Holland's version or a completely different version, in their standalone films, but deliberately opted not to.

Vincent D'Onofrio wants Sony to hire him, but is mistaken about why they haven't. He thinks that they legally can't, but the truth of things is that they've simply chosen not to up to this point in time.
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Yeah, legally they can. But they know they would would be in hot waters with viewer acceptance and Marvel Studios would be like WTF, Dude?!
 
Timelord79 (he/him) said:
Yeah, legally they can. But they know they would would be in hot waters with viewer acceptance and Marvel Studios would be like WTF, Dude?!
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1. The positive reception to the Spider-Verse animated movies and Spider-Noir prove that viewers can and will accept and embrace more than one version of Spider-Man existing simultaneously.

2. Marvel Studios would not have in fact objected if Sony had used Tom Holland's Spider-Man or a different version of Spider-Man in their standalone movies because they (Marvel Studios) know that they would have had no standing to do so.
 
Yeah. I think we are talking past one another. I am arguing that the audience would not accept Tom Holland’s MCU Spider-Man introducing a King Pin that is not the established MCU King Pin would not be accepted as a valid story.
If they make a Spider-Man movie that is clearly not connected to the MCU then whatever.
And if they used D’onofrio in a solo movie that clearly contradicts the MCU then they would step on Marvel Studio’s toes.

No one could complain legally about it, but should they do it? Probably not.

The best way would be to use D’onofrio in an MCU project together if and when they have a story.
 
If, hypothetically, Sony had written Kingpin into any one of the four Tom Holland films but chosen not to hire Vincent D'Onofrio, the absolute most that Marvel Studios could have done would have been to suggest that there was no reason that he (D'Onofrio) not be hired, but Sony could have either acted on that suggestion or chosen to ignore it.

I don't necessarily think that Sony would have ignored the suggestion, but they would've been absolutely free to do so, and Marvel Studios would've then had to come up with a narrative explanation for there being two versions of Kingpin in the MCU.
 
DigificWriter said:
If, hypothetically, Sony had written Kingpin into any one of the four Tom Holland films but chosen not to hire Vincent D'Onofrio, the absolute most that Marvel Studios could have done would have been to suggest that there was no reason that he (D'Onofrio) not be hired, but Sony could have either acted on that suggestion or chosen to ignore it.

I don't necessarily think that Sony would have ignored the suggestion, but they would've been absolutely free to do so, and Marvel Studios would've then had to come up with a narrative explanation for there being two versions of Kingpin in the MCU.
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Maybe, but we don't really know anything about the terms of the agreement in maintaining continuity. The whole point of this deal seems to be to create synergy that benefits both companies and changing a main character would not serve that.
 
theenglish said:
Maybe, but we don't really know anything about the terms of the agreement in maintaining continuity. The whole point of this deal seems to be to create synergy that benefits both companies and changing a main character would not serve that.
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Under the original deal, Sony got the exposure of having Spider-Man attached to the MCU and had total creative control in exchange for letting Marvel Studios have access to Spider-Man characters for themselves.

Under the new deal, Sony pays Marvel Studios a 25% Production Fee but still have total creative control, which is the central reason that I've been harping on them (Sony) not having - at least as far as I can see - a creative and financial reason for having Jean Grey in Brand New Day (since it would've been entirely their decision and not Marvel Studios).
 
Perhaps that helped his impulse control and she could help him not spill the beans.

I watched an interview with the four leads (including Sadie Sink) of Brand New Day earlier this week and they were all joking about his history of accidentally blabbing spoilers. :lol:
 
I finally decided exactly how I want to occupy my Mondays up until/past the premiere of VisionQuest in October: by finally getting around to watching some Marvel projects that I've been meaning to check out but hadn't gotten around to, interspersed with finishing up Daredevil: Born Again and a giving myself a 'refresher course' on WandaVision...

... And the first 'unwatched' project I started with is/was Werewolf By Night, which I was inspired to watch In Color because of Spider-Noir, which I'm also currently watching In Color, and which I really enjoyed.

I believe that I've mentioned this before, but now that I've rejected the 'fandom wisdom' of having to pay attention to every piece of the MCU in order to pay attention to any piece of the MCU, the projects I've latched onto the most can be categorized as Street Level, Cosmic, and Mystical/Supernatural, and WBN is firmly rooted in the latter genre category, which made it the perfect contrasting Companion to the last episode of the Street Level Daredevil: Born Again Season 1 (which I also finished today).

Narratively, I really liked the simple setup of the story as conveyed through the opening vocal Introduction, and almost immediately gravitated towards both Jack Russell and Elsa Bloodstone, although I was initially mistrustful of the latter. Jack crashing the hunt to rescue his monster friend Ted was also a fun twist, although I do wish that we'd got some exposition about how Jack learned about the hunt and Ted's capture in the first place.

The violence and gore levels - while high - were also just right for the tone of the story.

All in all, WBN was a fun standalone re-entry into the Mystical/Supernatural corners of the MCU and a nice 'aperitif' to prime me for Moon Knight, which is the next project on my 'unwatched' list.
 
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