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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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Now that I look; Werewolf by Night (2022) is 53 minutes, while The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special is 42 minutes. I think that time was enough for the story of The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special. It was shot at the same time as the 3rd movie anyway. Werewolf by Night should have been a few minutes longer and 60 minutes.
 
I feel the 13 episode number was always pretty good. It allowed you to do your story arc's but also gave you leeway to toss in a few stand alone stories or do something that is simply more character oriented instead of plot driven. Plus you in theory still have money available to create movie level sets and movie level scope. Also I think it gives you a little more time to film each episode so you don't have to rush to just get everything down in 6 or 7 days which I think was the standard amount of time it took to film old school tv episodes.
If TNG Season One had ended at episode 16 it would have been "Too Short A Season."
 
Season 2 still fits into the analogy as it was about four episodes worth of story stretched out into ten. It might have been an engaging story if it had only been four episodes.
My main gripe is exactly that; with the seasons that are really one big story. An old school 26 ep season can have 25% stinkers and still be satisfying because you can ignore the bad ones. The modern approach of a season long arc destroys that, because if the arc sucks (or even just the finale, which happens a lot) then it barely matters if there were any good eps along the way.

Personally, that's why I find SNW a good compromise. It's a short season, but it's mostly stand-alone(ish) stories. If one sucks, I can just ignore it. It's probably also why I find SNW way more hit than miss, because they're not concerned with plotting out a ten ep story. They can focus on telling a complete story in one episode instead of strrrrrrrretttttching out everything. And character dynamics carry over, and you can raise the stakes here and there for something later on.
 
I'd actually like it if they made three special episodes for The Punisher, each 60 minutes long and each dealing with a different event that the character experienced.
 
The 13 episode seasons thing was too long for the Netflix shows, except DD.

Jessica Jones fell apart after Episode 9 and needed random poorly done plot contrivances to keep going to get to 13.

Luke Cage fell apart halfway through because of the 13 episode limit

Iron Fist was poorly done the whole time.

DD was the only one that pulled it off, just barely
 
Now that I look; Werewolf by Night (2022) is 53 minutes, while The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special is 42 minutes. I think that time was enough for the story of The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special. It was shot at the same time as the 3rd movie anyway. Werewolf by Night should have been a few minutes longer and 60 minutes.

For some reason I felt like "Werewolf by Night" was longer than that. It felt like a legit movie to me when watching.
 
The 13 episode seasons thing was too long for the Netflix shows, except DD.

Jessica Jones fell apart after Episode 9 and needed random poorly done plot contrivances to keep going to get to 13.

Luke Cage fell apart halfway through because of the 13 episode limit

Iron Fist was poorly done the whole time.

DD was the only one that pulled it off, just barely

Their are more shows out their than those Netflix shows. "Mad Men" had 13 episode seasons. "Breaking Bad" had mostly 13 episode seasons except the first which it had like 7 and the last that had 16. Many more examples like this.
 
Their are more shows out their than those Netflix shows. "Mad Men" had 13 episode seasons. "Breaking Bad" had mostly 13 episode seasons except the first which it had like 7 and the last that had 16. Many more examples like this.

Those shows were better done than the Netflix Marvel shows then, with their 13 season allotments.
 
Which I think is what I am saying. The format of 13 episodes isn't the problem. If a show is having problems it is because the writers have failed in other ways. I think one of the problems with the Netflix shows is that supporting cast for most of the shows outside of "Daredevil" was they simply did not have a cast ensemble that was as interesting as the main character. I feel like the longer you seasons are the more you need that strong ensemble. "Daredevil" had it going on though. Foggy,Paige,Fisk, The Preacher guy and the cop and the criminal guy and Night Nurse and then later Stick, Electra, The Punisher, The Nun lady, Vannesa, Both reporter boss guys who Paige worked for, The criminal boss types working for Fisk in season 1. I feel I am missing some even.
 
If TNG Season One had ended at episode 16 it would have been "Too Short A Season."
Most TNG eps are ~45 minutes per episode.

While modern Streaming Trek can actually go for 1 hr of real content, not counting (Previously on ___ / Prologue / Opening / Ending / Epilogue / Next Time on ___) segments.

So there are advantages to modern Streaming shows where you can make the actual content of the show longer.

And any Commercials and other stuff be placed around that original 1 hr content block.
 
Not just longer but the way your episodes are even constructed can change when you don't have to write in and a hook moment every 7 minutes to get you keep watching after the commercial break.
 
Most TNG eps are ~45 minutes per episode.

While modern Streaming Trek can actually go for 1 hr of real content, not counting (Previously on ___ / Prologue / Opening / Ending / Epilogue / Next Time on ___) segments.

So there are advantages to modern Streaming shows where you can make the actual content of the show longer.

And any Commercials and other stuff be placed around that original 1 hr content block.
Sheesh. It's a joke!
 
"Breaking Bad" had mostly 13 episode seasons except the first which it had like 7 and the last that had 16.
That last season was really two 8-episode seasons. The first season's length was a casualty of the writers' strike. You can tell that seventh episode wasn't supposed to be a season ending.
 
You also had the X-Files approach which mostly did stand alone stories but once in awhile would do one the big picture episode or two-parter. Also many shows don't so much have story arcs as they do have character arcs.
 
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