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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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They are trying to hide the fact that Taskmaster is still a girl. The character is a dude in the comics I take and the gender switch was controversial.
Um. No. That's not what's going on.

The answer is probably pretty simple: She dies early on to raise the stakes. Which really sucks for the character and a waste of Olga Kurylenko. Again.
 
Um. No. That's not what's going on.

The answer is probably pretty simple: She dies early on to raise the stakes. Which really sucks for the character and a waste of Olga Kurylenko. Again.

That could be it as well. I think it would be okay. I was never a fan of that twist anyways. I felt it took away from Black Widow by allowing that girl to not have been killed by her. If they want to bring in the OG comic Taskmasker I would be okay with that.

I am more afraid of them killing Val. I really like the little we have seen from her, yet I think they might be using her as a placement leader before they bring back Zemo. Actually that would be a good idea for a second movie. Zemo returns and they explore a power struggle between him and Val which splits the group into two factions. The new Taskmasker shows up along with some new members like Fixer and Songbird.
 
Now we're getting somewhere! Great trailer, great song choice, great sense of the overall plot and threat (but left in the dark for those who don't know what's being shown), and...hell, yeah, Wendell Pierce is in it, if however small of a role!

However, the trailer does raise two questions:

1) I get the Avengers aren't coming. That's been a hanging question since Endgame, one that's been commented on before but never directly addressed until now. Most of them are retired, in absentia, dead, or dealing with their own shit. However, what about Captain America? Makes you wonder how Brave New World will end.

2) I've brought this up before but, again, it's weird how Taskmaster keeps being highlighted as a team member, but barely appears in the trailer and isn't present for at least two of the major set pieces.

Yeah, it's weird how little focus they put on her.

They are trying to hide the fact that Taskmaster is still a girl. The character is a dude in the comics I take and the gender switch was controversial. Granted that is everything on the internet but I imagine her role is not big enough for them to really want to highlight it.

If that were true, they'd be hiding Ghost just as much. Not to mention nothing required them to bring back the Ancient One in Endgame, either.

Um. No. That's not what's going on.

The answer is probably pretty simple: She dies early on to raise the stakes. Which really sucks for the character and a waste of Olga Kurylenko. Again.

Maybe. Or maybe she's ultimately on the wrong side and they're trying to hide the fact she spends most of the movie fighting the rest of the team.
 
Maybe. Or maybe she's ultimately on the wrong side and they're trying to hide the fact she spends most of the movie fighting the rest of the team.
I could see that explanation working. However, and admittedly, I don't know much about The Sentry and Void's character history beyond what I know from the Contest of Champions mobile game (where I first learned about their existence), but I've always gotten the impression that The Sentry and Void individually worked alone. This film already feels too big to have a third party involved, so that limits the options to Val somehow using Taskmaster to motivate the rest the time but doesn't seem likely either.
 
I could see that explanation working. However, and admittedly, I don't know much about The Sentry and Void's character history beyond what I know from the Contest of Champions mobile game (where I first learned about their existence), but I've always gotten the impression that The Sentry and Void individually worked alone. This film already feels too big to have a third party involved, so that limits the options to Val somehow using Taskmaster to motivate the rest the time but doesn't seem likely either.

Void typically works alone, I think, but not necessarily always. Sentry is usually on a team, albeit not a great team player traditionally. Based on the comics I would absolutely expect one or both of them to be being manipulated somehow by someone. The obvious guess is Val, which would line up well with the possibility of Taskmaster being loyal to her (money) and fighting the rest because they defy her somehow. Although, if the team does split that way I really would've expected Walker to back Val out of blind loyalty to the govt., so maybe not.
 
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Yeah, it's weird how little focus they put on her.



If that were true, they'd be hiding Ghost just as much. Not to mention nothing required them to bring back the Ancient One in Endgame, either.



Maybe. Or maybe she's ultimately on the wrong side and they're trying to hide the fact she spends most of the movie fighting the rest of the team.

I don't think their was as much backlash towards the Ghost character. I think maybe Taskmasker might be more popular Or it could be she was in the better movie. Ant Man 2 is better than the Black Widow. Granted that movie also came out before Endgame as well so the MCU was generally just not being grilled in the culture war stuff at the time. Plus I think it might also have to do with the fact that Ghost actually felt like a character they put some thought into and was more ingrained the story we see her in. With Taskmasker it felt more like they just wanted a shock twist at the end. She feels more like a plot gimmick than a character because of that.
 
I don't think their was as much backlash towards the Ghost character. I think maybe Taskmasker might be more popular Or it could be she was in the better movie. Ant Man 2 is better than the Black Widow. Granted that movie also came out before Endgame as well so the MCU was generally just not being grilled in the culture war stuff at the time. Plus I think it might also have to do with the fact that Ghost actually felt like a character they put some thought into and was more ingrained the story we see her in. With Taskmasker it felt more like they just wanted a shock twist at the end. She feels more like a plot gimmick than a character because of that.

There was 100 times more backlash to the Ancient One than either of them. Still didn't matter to anyone in charge.
 
Seems like most of the backlash to the Ancient One came later. "Dr Strange" was a pretty well liked movie. Besides Tilda Swinton was terrific in the role. Also the culture war was just in a different place at the time. I believe when it came out the election was still going and people were thinking Clinton was going to win for sure.
 
Seems like most of the backlash to the Ancient One came later. "Dr Strange" was a pretty well liked movie. Besides Tilda Swinton was terrific in the role. Also the culture war was just in a different place at the time. I believe when it came out the election was still going and people were thinking Clinton was going to win for sure.

No, it came from the moment it was announced. Marvel just ignored it, just as they pretty much always do. No one is trying to hide Taskmaster because of backlash. If they were actually scared of it, she wouldn't be in the movie to begin with.
 
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Void typically works alone, I think, but not necessarily always. Sentry is usually on a team, albeit not a great team player traditionally. Based on the comics I would absolutely expect one or both of them to be being manipulated somehow by someone. The obvious guess is Val, which would line up well with the possibility of Taskmaster being loyal to her (money) and fighting the rest because they defy her somehow. Although, if the team does split that way I really would've expected Walker to back Val out of blind loyalty to the govt., so maybe not.
That all makes pretty good sense and yet still doesn't quite fit together. Which is great because that (hopefully) means we haven't worked out the entirety of the film and it'll be able to play out with some surprises intact.
 
Now we're getting somewhere! Great trailer

Interesting trailer; the many quip-y scenes were used to set a tone, but if this film's timeline occurs before the end of Cap4, things may take a darker turn. More on that below.


great song choice

I have to disagree on that one. In the history of the music group franchise known as Jefferson Airplane /Jefferson Starship / Starship, the 1987 track "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" is one of their worst, despite its inexplicable chart success.


1) I get the Avengers aren't coming. That's been a hanging question since Endgame, one that's been commented on before but never directly addressed until now. Most of them are retired, in absentia, dead, or dealing with their own shit. However, what about Captain America? Makes you wonder how Brave New World will end.

The "no Avengers" belief in Thunderbolts very likely means the film takes place during the events of Captain America: Brave New World, at a time when there's no agreement or time for Wilson and Ross to create a new Avengers. It is also likely Cap4's plot leaves him and the world in a such a wrecked state with another threat on the horizon, that Wilson is only barely trying to assemble the next phase of the Avengers before having to face off against it, which might be addressed in mid-credits scenes.
 
Thunderbots* could also conceivably take place before Brave New World.

Re: Taskmaster, I really think some people are reading way too much into the trailer(s) not showing much of her and trying to stir up non-existent controversy.
 
I have to disagree on that one. In the history of the music group franchise known as Jefferson Airplane /Jefferson Starship / Starship, the 1987 track "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" is one of their worst, despite its inexplicable chart success.
To each their own. I know nothing of that history (other than enjoying a couple of their songs) and I simply enjoyed the use of this song for this trailer. :shrug:

The "no Avengers" belief in Thunderbolts very likely means the film takes place during the events of Captain America: Brave New World, at a time when there's no agreement or time for Wilson and Ross to create a new Avengers. It is also likely Cap4's plot leaves him and the world in a such a wrecked state with another threat on the horizon, that Wilson is only barely trying to assemble the next phase of the Avengers before having to face off against it, which might be addressed in mid-credits scenes.
Concurrent is a thought I have had for awhile, which would explain Bucky's absence at Sam's side in Brave New World. If that's the case, will it be addressed in some manner without giving anything away from Thunderbolts*? The conflicting reports about whether or not Harrison Ford will be in Thunderbolts* is also a curious point, which is something I've brought up in this thread several times now.

Thunderbots* could also conceivably take place before Brave New World.
Maybe but I find that unlikely. Either concurrent or immediately after are far more likely.

Re: Taskmaster, I really think some people are reading way too much into the trailer(s) not showing much of her and trying to stir up non-existent controversy.
Nah, just one person.
 
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How much do you think CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD, THUNDERBOLTS and FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS will do at the box office?

I want Fantastic Four to be good and make at least $1 billion at the box office, I don't know about the others.
 
How much do you think CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD, THUNDERBOLTS and FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS will do at the box office?

I want Fantastic Four to be good and make at least $1 billion at the box office, I don't know about the others.

I think they will all do well, but a billion is almost certainly out of reach. Especially for the F4 who already have a hard task trying to make audiences forget the previous F4 movies and who are also facing much stronger competition than the other two.
 
How much do you think CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD, THUNDERBOLTS and FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS will do at the box office?

I want Fantastic Four to be good and make at least $1 billion at the box office, I don't know about the others.
That’s something for Marvel to worry about. In there for a couple of hours of entertainment
 
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