Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Yeah, it would be real stupid of them to do so... i suspect more that they will get someone officially signed on before they say what they will do with Kang. They are taking off the Kang name in the title, because they don't have anything solid.
Also, i was looking back at Box Office Mojo, and it is interesting that Ant Man is just 3 places down (#7) from Guardians of the Galaxy (#4), with both in the top 10, but GotG is considered a success while Ant Man a failure.
Yeah, ignoring the fact Marvel has had no problems recasting in the past with both major and minor characters (Hulk, Red Skull, Fandral, General Ross, Rhodes, etc), "You broke the law, this recasting is on you" seems pretty solid.
Yes, he was.
He hasn't, really. I haven't seen Loki season 2 yet, but he had a very small role in season 1 and his role in Ant-man clearly didn't take the world by storm.
And as far as real world impact, the vast majority of people who don't follow movie news (which is the vast majority of people) have no clue Majors is on trial and probably won't have any idea he's been recast until they see the new Kang, unless someone else happens to mention it to them. Comparing him to Miller - who literally spent weeks (or was it months?) running from law enforcement while publically taunting the police on social media - is kind of ridiculous.
Plus, to be brutally honest as much as I wish we lived in a world where people saw how awful Miller was and refused to see The Flash for that reason specifically, the facts don't really point to that being the case. The Flash still made way more money than any recent DC movie except Black Adam, as well as significantly more than The Marvels - a movie that had better reviews and a near universally praised cast with zero known scandals apart from Brie Larson daring to want to hear a black woman's opinion about AWiT. The movie almost certainly suffered far more from the general implosion of the DCEU and the lackluster response to blockbusters and superhero movies than it did from Miller's reputation.
I think it's completely reasonable to call it a disaster given it clearly lost money (because of how high the budget was), which is exactly the opposite of what a movie studio wants. And it was literally the first MCU movie to be in that position since The Incredible Hulk in phase 1 before the MCU even caught on (not counting pandemic era films for obvious reasons).
Oh, I am, too. But the truth is still the truth and I don't see any point in trying to pretend Quantumania was actually successful when it clearly wasn't or actually reasonably popular when that clearly isn't the case (no matter how much more I liked the film than most people seemed to).
Estimated production budget was somewhere around $200 million + an estimated $100 million marketing budget, with final box office just over $476 million. That was not a hit.
Antman should have stayed lower budget. This is Disney making a lot of poor budgeting decisions.
Ant-Man was not a financial success because of its bloated budget, not because people didn't go to see it. Domestically, it was the highest grossing of the three movies--and while it was the lowest grossing internationally, it was not much less (less than 10%) than the original Ant-Man. Arguably, Ant-Man 2 sales were boosted by the popularity of Infinity War at the time.
All true, though on the subject of popularity it should also be noted that ticket sales aren't automatically proof that people actually liked the movie and Ant-man's box office run only came in as high as it did because of its extremely good opening weekend, which far more likely indicates hype and anticipation rather than popularity. Especially since the ticket sales fell off a cliff after the first weekend.
I'm not pretending it's successful. It wasn't. I'm just not interested in the "everything after Endgame sucks" narrative
Oh yeah, I would much, much rather see them recast, but if they're going to do a redirect, which again I would rather they not do, I think it would be better to just get the Kang story out of the way quickly so they can focus on Doom or the Beyonder, or whoever the new Big Bad is going to be.
I just don't see how they can do that with any integrity. I mean, they have literally set this up as an unbeatable threat to all existence, something far more dangerous and terrifying than Thanos. Something so horrible that He Who Remains believed it justified exterminating all other timelines so that at least one would survive. Something that Loki had to give up his independent existence to try to contain. It's just too big to "get out of the way quickly." It would make a mockery of the stories that set it up. Maybe that's less of an issue with Quantumania, but Loki certainly deserves better than to have the next project cursorily establish that everything Loki and the TVA fought for across two seasons was meaningless because it was all going to get cavalierly swept away soon enough.
I really think the Immortus variant is the way to go. Somebody mentioned Denzel. He would certainly have the drawing power to get people interested in going to see the movie.