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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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I mean they could easily show up in earlier projects
And technically, Reed Richards already has, but yeah, I was hoping production for it was a little farther along as I'm going on 6 decades and I'll like to see what I hope will be a couple of good big screen adaptations of the characters. (And yes, aspects of the first two FOX films in 2005 and 2007 were ok; but I still need brain bleach to wipe the miles Teller version from my brain. <--- I've never been able to finish watching that film to it's conclusion. I hope the MCU will take NOTHING from that version.)
 
but I still need brain bleach to wipe the miles Teller version from my brain. <--- I've never been able to finish watching that film to it's conclusion. I hope the MCU will take NOTHING from that version.)

Well, they technically already took one thing, Michael B. Jordan, who was (other than Reg Cathey) the only good thing about it.
 
Yes, and we did get Blade in The Eternals, so technically we have gotten our tease setting up vampires.

..and his existence means they should be actively operating in the world--not hidden--as seen in the flashback to his (and Frost's) origin in the comics.


Yes, of course there have been some stories where vampires didn't hide, but at this point it's pretty likely that they won't be going in that direction here since like you said, we haven't seen any evidence of them living out in the open.

...and that's the problem: the MCU (in-universe) is no longer at a point where the fantastic is rumor, a story or something written off as a hoax; they've experienced every type of superhero, supernatural (i.e., magical) being / creatures, aliens and everything in-between, and with that running around earth (with many posing direct, open threats to the population), vampires would no see no reason to conceal themselves in a world that become a free-for-all for threats to the human population.

If vampires in the MCU were going to work at all, the logical starting point would have been to seed the concept as far back as the still unpopulated field of the first Iron Man or The Incredible Hulk era, where its hinted at, but the "eye" (so to speak) of the MCU was not yet ready to visit / tell that story.

To a degree, vampires in the current MCU remind me of a line from the John Leslie Stevenson character (aka Jack the Ripper) in Nicholas Meyer's Time After Time:

"The world has caught up with me and surpassed me. Ninety years ago, I was a freak. Today, I am an amateur."

You'd have to assume the residents of the MCU have been shaken from their everyday sense of comfort to no longer be as shocked by the strange or otherworldly, which would allow "amateurs" such as long-"lived" vampires to exist among humans in a more direct fashion, but not seem like the all-out threat it tends to be in stories where the world is utterly devoid of all other supernatural creatures, so they would appear to be a greater terror.


All of that could still happen if vampires were existing in secret, the only difference would be that the people around Frost wouldn't know that he was a vampire, and that he would be doing all of that in secret.

The vampires Frost confronted were in the open, and once he turned, he too was not hidden away (the reason he could pose as a doctor to gain access to Blade's mother).
 
Vampires living in the MCU have *way more* incentive to remain hidden than ones in 'real world' settings. The MCU has a seemingly endless list of random people who would be capable of literally ripping their heads off if they knew they existed.
 
The sheet amount of STUFF hidden in plain sight in the Marvel films staggers me sometimes. I was rewatching Captain America and it's like "Oh, look, here's the tesseract. Been here the whole time." "Guardians of the Galaxy" is the same way. "Oh, look, an infinity stone just hanging out on a planet. Guess I'll play toss for a while."

Vampires are one of the few things I go, "Yeah, I can totally believe they would be hidden and no one would notice." Largely because unlike some of the other superhero elements vampires are a thing that humans have told long stories about being afraid of. Staying hidden makes sense.
 
The sheet amount of STUFF hidden in plain sight in the Marvel films staggers me sometimes. I was rewatching Captain America and it's like "Oh, look, here's the tesseract. Been here the whole time." "Guardians of the Galaxy" is the same way. "Oh, look, an infinity stone just hanging out on a planet. Guess I'll play toss for a while."

Vampires are one of the few things I go, "Yeah, I can totally believe they would be hidden and no one would notice." Largely because unlike some of the other superhero elements vampires are a thing that humans have told long stories about being afraid of. Staying hidden makes sense.
The problem is they will probably have to reveal themselves after the MCU style carnage that will occur in the movie's CGI-laden climax.
 
The sheet amount of STUFF hidden in plain sight in the Marvel films staggers me sometimes. I was rewatching Captain America and it's like "Oh, look, here's the tesseract. Been here the whole time." "Guardians of the Galaxy" is the same way. "Oh, look, an infinity stone just hanging out on a planet. Guess I'll play toss for a while."

Yeah, they were setting up the Thanos/Infinity War thing for a while. That's what it looks like when you set up a long-term plan and stick to it. ( Looking at you, DC )
 
The sheet amount of STUFF hidden in plain sight in the Marvel films staggers me sometimes. I was rewatching Captain America and it's like "Oh, look, here's the tesseract. Been here the whole time." "Guardians of the Galaxy" is the same way. "Oh, look, an infinity stone just hanging out on a planet. Guess I'll play toss for a while."

Vampires are one of the few things I go, "Yeah, I can totally believe they would be hidden and no one would notice." Largely because unlike some of the other superhero elements vampires are a thing that humans have told long stories about being afraid of. Staying hidden makes sense.
A sketching of the Tesseract also shows up in Iron Man 2.
 
Given that the MCU seems on the cusp of "mutants!" I feel like vampires would seem fairly mundane by comparison.
Also I guess it depends on which variety of vampire they settle on; quasi-science "it's a virus" types where it's all about glands, silver allergies (however that works) haemoglobin & melanin deficiencies, and maybe some odd anti-aging gene editing aspects. Or the just straight up magical "undead demon spawn" types with shape shifting, irrationally repulsed by random religious symbols, literally turns to dust when dead, etc.

Either works well enough with what's been established. As for the public reaction if they're outed . . . I mean at this point there's random super-powered people coming out of the woodwork by this point, there are literal gods walking around in the open. I doubt a bunch of pasty fuckers with pointy teeth would even register all that much.
 
..and his existence means they should be actively operating in the world--not hidden--as seen in the flashback to his (and Frost's) origin in the comics.
I don't see why it has to mean that, there is absolutely nothing about the basic concept of the character, a half-vampire/half-human vampire hunter, that can't work just as well if the vampires are a secret.
...and that's the problem: the MCU (in-universe) is no longer at a point where the fantastic is rumor, a story or something written off as a hoax; they've experienced every type of superhero, supernatural (i.e., magical) being / creatures, aliens and everything in-between, and with that running around earth (with many posing direct, open threats to the population), vampires would no see no reason to conceal themselves in a world that become a free-for-all for threats to the human population.

If vampires in the MCU were going to work at all, the logical starting point would have been to seed the concept as far back as the still unpopulated field of the first Iron Man or The Incredible Hulk era, where its hinted at, but the "eye" (so to speak) of the MCU was not yet ready to visit / tell that story.

To a degree, vampires in the current MCU remind me of a line from the John Leslie Stevenson character (aka Jack the Ripper) in Nicholas Meyer's Time After Time:

"The world has caught up with me and surpassed me. Ninety years ago, I was a freak. Today, I am an amateur."
You'd have to assume the residents of the MCU have been shaken from their everyday sense of comfort to no longer be as shocked by the strange or otherworldly, which would allow "amateurs" such as long-"lived" vampires to exist among humans in a more direct fashion, but not seem like the all-out threat it tends to be in stories where the world is utterly devoid of all other supernatural creatures, so they would appear to be a greater terror.
Just because some supernatural phenomenon are public knowledge doesn't mean all of them have to be. In True Blood, when the show starts vampires had "come out of the coffin" as they put it in the show, years ago, but were, shapeshifter, faeries, ect. were all still secret.
And really it makes sense that vampires would want to continue to keep their existence secret, since they are stealth hunters, and it's a lot easier to lure in your prey if they don't know you exist. And there's also a pretty good chance if people do find out they exist, you're going to get a whole lot more people going after them, if humans are still their primary food source. The only reason they came out in True Blood was because once they invented artificial blood the vampires had easy access to an alternative food source.




The vampires Frost confronted were in the open, and once he turned, he too was not hidden away (the reason he could pose as a doctor to gain access to Blade's mother).
OK. I just read through Blade's origin on the Marvel Wiki, and the whole vampire doctor feeds on his pregnant mother, and makes him a dhampir would work just as well if vampires weren't common knowledge. The only difference is that would be a doctor who was secretly a vampire, and he would have to attack Blade's mother in secret.
 
Even if the existence of vampires is known, that doesn't require it to have come up in the stories we've seen. I mean, the existence of sea otters is well-known, but there's never been a reference to one in an MCU movie. The existence of Department of Motor Vehicle clerks is public knowledge, but it's never been the focus of an MCU story. Just because something hasn't been mentioned doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a secret.
 
. The existence of Department of Motor Vehicle clerks is public knowledge, but it's never been the focus of an MCU story. Just because something hasn't been mentioned doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a secret.

Uh yeah it has.... you didn't see Ms Marvel?

Now didn't Ķingo say his servant tried to kill him because he thought Kingo was a vampire?

If that happens a lot...or associated things like doing other "harmful" things like taking away bank assets (bankers hours are significantly different than vampire hours),it would make sense they ate secretive today.
 
Even if the existence of vampires is known, that doesn't require it to have come up in the stories we've seen. I mean, the existence of sea otters is well-known, but there's never been a reference to one in an MCU movie.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we find out folks like Strange and Wong are perfectly aware of vampires. It'll just be the average Marvel citizen who doesn't know about them, the same way he doesn't know about about that green minotaur-looking dude in MoM. It's not like sorcerers are going around hosting Reddit AMAs where people can ask them this stuff. ("Hey, Mr. Strange! Huge fan, thanks for taking the time out to do this! I've always wanted to know, are leprechauns real?")
 
Black Panther Wakanda Forever trailer released

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Looking at this again and wondering: am I the only one looking at those blue people and thinking "remember that blue arm that was wearing the bangle in Ms. Marvel"? Could Atlantis (or is it Mu now?) be the missing link for this thing and the ten rings?
Also curious to see if Atlantis/Mu has a history with Wakanda already (they've both been the most advanced civilizations on Earth for millennia after all) or is this going to be a shock for Wakandan that they're not the most powerful nation after all?
 
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