Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Indeed. I recall someone bringing down their own personal gavel on Jeremy Renner based on what appeared to be accusations alone. No presumption of innocence in his case.
Assuming innocence means assuming accusers are lying. If you assume accusers are lying when they're actually victims, you're also doing wrong.
One: no, it doesn't, because reality isn't a coin flip. The alternative to assuming one premise is not assuming the opposite premise; it's assuming nothing and waiting for actual evidence.
Two: It's not the assumption of innocence, it's the presumption of innocence. There is a crucial difference between the two.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/presume
Assumption is based in ignorance or preconception; presumption is based on past evidence or precedent and can be changed in light of new evidence. The presumption of innocence doesn't mean you deny the possibility of guilt; it means you give people the benefit of the doubt and wait for the evidence instead of pre-emptively assuming the worst.
Yes, this is true. You give both sides the benefit of the doubt, because that's the only way to be fair. When someone makes an accusation, you take it seriously and investigate it under the presumption that they're telling the truth. But when someone is accused and insists they're innocent, they are also entitled to the presumption that they're telling the truth. It's not a simple balance to strike, not something you can reduce to a facile "If you're not with me you're against me" binary. Life isn't a true-false test, it's an essay test.
I've had one friend be the accuser and another friends husband be the accused.
My friend's story about being sexually assaulted was easier to believe than my friends husband's denials.
It ended a twenty year friendship.
My friend's story about being sexually assaulted was easier to believe than my friends husband's denials.
It ended a twenty year friendship.
Has there been case of sexual assault involving someone from the MCU?
Has Vin Diesel had a history of these kind of accusations being made against him?
I know he's had problems with people like The Rock and Jason Lin, but I wasn't sure if he's ever been accused of anything this serious before.
I try to give both sides the benefit of the doubt, but I admit, when accused seem to have a lot of other problems with people, I do tend to lean more towards the accuser, but it can also be hard to 100% believe them since ex-employees could have very well have reason to lie if they're pissed at their old boss for some reason.
I know he's had problems with people like The Rock and Jason Lin, but I wasn't sure if he's ever been accused of anything this serious before.
I try to give both sides the benefit of the doubt, but I admit, when accused seem to have a lot of other problems with people, I do tend to lean more towards the accuser, but it can also be hard to 100% believe them since ex-employees could have very well have reason to lie if they're pissed at their old boss for some reason.
Fred Tatasciore did fine as Groot in "What If..?"
Now? Who, from the MCU was previously accused of sexual assault?
Oh. Wait a minute. I forgot about William Hurt.
Tenoch Huerta was accused of sexual assault last summer. There hasn't been any news on that since then. Mohan Kapur (who plays Ms. Marvel's dad) was accused of grooming a minor last year. I think I remember the Kapur accusation turning out to be false but I can't find any news stories except the ones detailing the original accusations so I'm not sure.
There was allegations involving one of the cast of the Eternals too, IIRC.
Yep!