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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Mr. Adventure said:
The way it's shot, the color palette, the action with the helicarrier is similar to that at the end of GOTG, the ways the characters talk to each other, etc. I think if you were to watch the trailers for both they would feel closer than watching Echo. Maybe that's just me :shrug:
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Yeah. Echo feels a lot more different from Moon Knight or WandaVision or Loki than IM3 and Winter Soldier to me at least, independent of otherwise quality

That said I do think the "samey" criticism back then was exaggerated by some critics. I just find it annoying when nostalgia addicted fans of the infinity saga start bashing the new stuff for being "samier" when it's not
 
The Nightmare Doctor said:
During an interview with Wired, Deadpool 3 director Shawn Levy says he's still deciding on the film's title:

No, there’s no title yet. I sometimes refer to it as Deadpool versus Wolverine or Deadpool and Wolverine or Deadpool 3 With Wolvie – we’ve got a few titles we’ve been bandying about, but boy, it’s a tough one.​
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Deadpool: Electric boogloo is the obvious title.
 
Tuskin38 said:
Rated TV-MA, all episodes dropping January 10th
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Ooh at the 1:25ish mark. Is that Daredevil in his Netflix suit and not the She-Hulk one(thankfully)?
 
fireproof78 said:
They really are not. Thor is a fantasy action adventure, while Captain America is very much a military style thriller. Iron Man feels different, and Avengers feels even more different.

They do not feel uniform by any stretch other than they have one film that groups them all together.
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They all involve a central villain and a big fight at the end of the third act. That's samey to me.

Doctor Strange (1) is a partial exception here, because Strange manages to defeat Dormammu without a fight. Which may be why it's my favorite single ending to an MCU movie.

The shows have leaned into this same basic structure unfortunately, even in series it didn't work (WandaVision, Secret Invasion, Ms. Marvel, etc). However, there are exceptions. She-Hulk explicitly subverted this, and Loki has as well. I'd also argue that Hawkeye avoided a big action set piece, due to how grounded and (comparably) lower stakes it was.
 
Hawkeye did it too though. The bad guys were generic mobsters and the final fight was random goons until the main bad guy. Lower stakes doesn't prevent that

However I'll say the shows' general storylines are generally less basic than the movies before them. Like WandaVision alone has more imagination and personality than most phase 1 & 2 movies
 
For the second straight weekend, I decided to willingly watch an MCU movie and chose Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumainia, which was fantastic.

The MCU films/IPs that interest me are the ones that both involve the cosmic and/or the mystical and break away from the standard MCU storytelling formula, and all 3 of the Ant-Man movies satisfy all those criteria. They also stand out for me as forming a fairly standalone and self-contained narrative in and of themselves, which makes me want to at some point rewatch them back-to-back-to-back.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
I've been an Echo skeptic but that looks pretty good for "something no one asked for". Maybe seems more Netflix than Disney MCU. The TV side of Marvel doesn't seem as concerned about uniformity across its projects which is interesting but I don't know how that more open inclusion plays with the audience at large.

Not sure what dropping (dumping?) the episodes all at once says about the confidence in this project.
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I have no idea what dropping the episodes all at once says; however, I do think that Marvel's strength comes from the success of their surprise projects. Nobody ever suspected that developing a connected universe without the FF or X-Men could have been so successful. Nobody ever thought the Guardians would have been a hit. Nobody thought Black Panther would have become a cultural phenomenon throughout the continent of Africa the way it did. I really think they need to take more chances. Coming up, Deadpool is something I never thought the MCU would embrace--and I think a course correction in Blade has the potential to take the MCU in new and surprising directions depending on how the rewrites go. I think if The Eternals would have been a much better film if it had been allowed to have been surprising.

The MCU needs to start pushing the envelope and taking chances again.
 
eschaton said:
I'd also argue that Hawkeye avoided a big action set piece, due to how grounded and (comparably) lower stakes it was.
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I would agree. What the MCU needs is more "street level" movies. One of the biggest strengths of the Marvel comics in the 70s and 80s was their ability to include street level heroes and cosmic level events in the same comics universe. In recent years, the MCU seems to have forgotten that.
 
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Grendelsbayne said:
https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marve...new-marvel-spotlight-banner-a207610#gs.0im1b8

Marvel's making a separate category for shows that focus more on grounded, street level stuff called Marvel Spotlight.

Also, Echo's powers will be totally different in the show than the comics.
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If the rumours about her powers are, I'm amazed in 2023, they went for a trope like
she calls on the power of her ancestors!
- how long did they take to think that up in the writer's room?
 
JoeZhang said:
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If the rumours about her powers are, I'm amazed in 2023, they went for a trope like
she calls on the power of her ancestors!
- how long did they take to think that up in the writer's room?
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Yeah, I thought that was kind of cliche myself. And the producer called her comic powers "lame". I think she would have been better off simply stating that they changed her powers because there's already a woman character in the MCU with the same powers.
 
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/echo-trailer-marvel-ma-rated-show-1235634418/
Echo comes as Marvel overhauls its TV business, including with Daredevil: Born Again, the upcoming series that will once again star Echo‘s Charlie Cox and D’Nofrio. The studio has hired The Punisher alum Dario Scardapane as showrunner and Loki directors Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead as part of a creative reset on the series, which shot multiple episodes under a different team.

Tonally, the footage screened for press had hints of Daredevil, Breaking Bad and John Wick and in some ways seemed like Marvel’s version of a cable drama rather than an MCU streaming series.
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