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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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I know that real world physics are not a thing in the MCU, but common ... ankle wings?

It was supposed to be a homage to classical depictions of the God Hermes/Mercury:

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I never thought he kept himself aloft purely by the physical lift from the wings but I don't know where I came by that notion, if it was explained somewhere or just some headcanon of my own.
 
I never thought he kept himself aloft purely by the physical lift from the wings but I don't know where I came by that notion, if it was explained somewhere or just some headcanon of my own.

According to the wiki:

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Namor_McKenzie_(Earth-616)#Powers
Since the "wings" by themselves could never carry Namor, it has been speculated that he uses the wings for steering and flies in some other manner, perhaps by telekinesis.

Also, I had no idea his surname was McKenzie.
 
It was his father's surname. Not one he uses very often. Perhaps when he became a surface world businessman. Sounds like something the folks behind the Handbook to the Marvel Universe came up with, because every box had to be ticked.
 
Sounds like something the folks behind the Handbook to the Marvel Universe came up with, because every box had to be ticked.

No, his father Leonard McKenzie has appeared in the comics. Maybe the Marvel Wiki just gives him his father's surname as a default practice, or maybe he's actually been referred to that way on occasion.
 
So how do they kill off T'Challa? My guess is he dies doing something super heroic in the beginning of the film, but he's masked up as Black Panther the whole time and they just use his voice (I think they said they weren't going to use facial technology to recreate his face, rightfully so)?
 
No, his father Leonard McKenzie has appeared in the comics. Maybe the Marvel Wiki just gives him his father's surname as a default practice, or maybe he's actually been referred to that way on occasion.
Yes, I know. But he was rarely if ever called Namor McKenzie in the books for decades. I was speculating on it being the sort of thing the stat happy compilers of TOHOTMU would include. Every character needed a “full name” , weight, eye color, place of birth and mother’s maiden name. Every “Tom” became Thomas. Every “Steve” became Steven. Every “Black Bolt” became Blacktagar Boltagon. It was ridiculous.

The idea he had a surname is rather ethnocentric.
 
But he was rarely if ever called Namor McKenzie in the books for decades. I was speculating on it being the sort of thing the stat happy compilers of TOHOTMU would include.

Maybe. But it's also the sort of thing a wiki would do.


The idea he had a surname is rather ethnocentric.

Indeed. It would be like Memory Alpha referring to Worf as "Worf Rozhenko."
 
So how do they kill off T'Challa?
The thing is, for the people of Wakanda, hadn’t he already died before after Infinity War? He was “dead” and gone for five years as far they were concerned. Well, half of them.
Now they’ll be like “oh we’ve lost our king again
And he was only king for a couple of years before IW, and a couple after Endgame. Maybe a pointless point, but just saying it’s not like they’ve lost a super long serving monarch
 
And he was only king for a couple of years before IW, and a couple after Endgame. Maybe a pointless point, but just saying it’s not like they’ve lost a super long serving monarch

I don't see why that would matter. He was a singularly important monarch, in that he was the one who opened Wakanda to the rest of the world, and who played a major role in the defense against Thanos.
 
So how do they kill off T'Challa? My guess is he dies doing something super heroic in the beginning of the film, but he's masked up as Black Panther the whole time and they just use his voice (I think they said they weren't going to use facial technology to recreate his face, rightfully so)?
I don't recall where I saw it, but I seem to remember reading that that unused audio from What If...? might be utilized.
 
So how do they kill off T'Challa? My guess is he dies doing something super heroic in the beginning of the film, but he's masked up as Black Panther the whole time and they just use his voice (I think they said they weren't going to use facial technology to recreate his face, rightfully so)?

From all the clues we've seen so far, it's something completely out of nowhere that T'Challa doesn't have the first chance to defend himself from, that doesn't even leave a body for the Wakandans to bury, and was done at the hands of Namor the Submariner (or so the Wakandans think...).

I would not be depicting the death itself (or T'Challa himself) if I were in the filmmakers' shoes; I'd be starting with voiceover audio "Breaking News..." over the Marvel logo, then playing world-spanning 'news clips' through the opening credits picking up in the immediate wake of the tragic death, clips spanning the course of a week that slowly piece together and explain to the audience what happened, ending in the presentation of whatever clue points to Namor as the culprit. From there we go to the funeral.
 
I suspect the actual death of T'Challa will not be something we see on screen. As @Nightowl1701 mentions, it's a news reel at the beginning, or as was mentioned above, they use CGI and audiosoftware to create a scene where we see him as Black Panther (no face) going on a mission, cutting to him having been killed in action. Something along those lines.
 
The thing is, for the people of Wakanda, hadn’t he already died before after Infinity War? He was “dead” and gone for five years as far they were concerned. Well, half of them.
Now they’ll be like “oh we’ve lost our king again
And he was only king for a couple of years before IW, and a couple after Endgame. Maybe a pointless point, but just saying it’s not like they’ve lost a super long serving monarch

This is so unnecessary. All they had to do was recast T'Challa and wait another year for the "Black Panther" sequel. I mean . . . c'mon!
 
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