Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.
I think there might more to it than that.
So, they're asking "If Scarlett can't trust you now, why should we?"
Yes, but the rich blonde white guy thing is a big part of it.
Of course, that they used up their limited budget by that point on the prior shows didn't help.
The least of its problems is a white guy who's good at martial arts. That he's a Mighty Whitey is a bigger issue.
I thought Iron Fist actually did a pretty good job subverting the white savior trope. Danny's entitlement and arrogant insistence on doing things his own way usually just ended up making things worse, and he kept getting put in his place and humbled by women of color.
See, his horrible martial arts ability is a good thing, lol
Dr Strange got around this, but it was by taking careful steps to show that Kamar-Taj was a multi-ethnic place and not a stereotypical "Hidden Asian City" like the Iron Fist place was. And also, magic is something lots of cultures have, so it's not some "White Guy learns a foreigners art better than them" thing.
Could Danny have avoided the "Mighty Whitey" thing better if his place was shown to have a more varied ethnic makeup?
I think they were kind of screwed with Danny, even if the show had been made by more talented people. Danny being a rich, but basically normal besides that, guy who becomes Iron Fist is important to making the character who he is, so making him a random Asian guy might hurt that a bit, because he's supposed to be kind of an outsider and be different from other Marvel martial arts heroes. That said, without adjusting other stuff his character is just taking parts of other cultures and doing white savior-ish stuff.
But, being a white guy who is good at martial arts isn't an inherently racist thing, either. I think making Kun Lun a more mystical place inhabited by people from all over the world, like Doctor Strange's training place, could help the Iron Fist concept a lot. Also, introducing the other Immortal Weapons, and having them be various ethnicities, would also make Danny being white (assuming they wanted to keep that, although Iron Fist could work with different types of people as long as he's different enough from characters like Shang Chi) make more sense.
But the netflix show barely did anything with the mythology from the bits I saw, since all the Netflix shows hated anything that wasn't "grounded realism". They would do "fantastic" stuff like super powers, but only the bare minimum that they had to (they couldn't have done Jessica Jones without Purple Man's powers, for example). I don't think they even show Danny punching the dragon to get his fist, so using the mythical elements to get away (as much as they could) from the problematic elements wasn't really possible under the (seeming self imposed) restrictions to how "comicbook/fantasy" the show was allowed to go.
Basically I think that the main MCU could make Danny Rand work even keeping him as a white guy if they wanted to. But,at this point there isn't a lot of reason to bring that character back anyway, outside of the fact that he's really the only other Martial Arts focused Marvel hero besides Shang Chi (DC has a lot more variety when it comes to martial arts heroes/villains).
Benedict Cumberbatch says that Robert Downey Jr. and Tom Holland's improv skills inspired him to go off-script and call Iron Man a 'douchebag' in 'Infinity War'
Remember when we were supposed to be getting a live-action Squirrel Girl (in the form of AT&T's Lily, Milana Vayntrub)? Well, now we know why the New Warriors TV pilot never saw the light of day, and it wasn't because it sucked.
Damn. That's fucking horrible.
...and not at all surprising.
ARGH!!!!!!!! MILANA WAS SO CUUUUUUTE!
Slightly off-topic here, but the way Ratcatcher2 and her rats appeared in "The Suicide Squad" kind of gave me an idea of how Squirrel Girl and her squirrels could appear in live-action CGI.
So Disney have nailed down four release dates for 2024. That's on top of the five they've got staked out for 2023.
Out of those nine we definitely know four; Ant-Man 3, GOTG 3, Fantastic Four and Captain America 4. We can safely add Shang-Chi 2 to that, as well. So that leaves four unknowns. Maybe, Young Avengers, X-Men and a two-part Secret Wars? Does Deadpool 3 count as a MCU movie?
We know Quantumania and Vol. 3 are in 2023 (February 17 and May 5, respectively), so that leaves three more in 2023. I'm guessing Captain America 4 will be one of those three.
Along with Fantastic Four and possibly Deadpool 3 (whether or not it's part of the count and possibly starts filming next year), there's also Blade which expects to start filming in July 2022.
I think the mutant movie will be in 2024. While early signs suggest that Shang-Chi will get a sequel, nothing is confirmed and even then, it'll be out in 2024 at the earliest.
I'm betting that the Young Avengers will be a Disney+ event.
So in simpler terms:
Captain America 4 (maybe)
Deadpool 3 (maybe)
Shang-Chi 2 (maybe)
Assuming that's all correct, that leaves one last big question mark for 2024.
For "Young Avengers", I read Avengers 5. As for any adaptation of Shooter and Zeck's Secret Wars, the Russo brothers now seem to be taking an "if Scarlett can't trust you, why should we?" stance.
She still is, so they had the "cute and adorable" part covered.
If you like Milana...
OMG! I can barely type from laughing so hard!!!!!
Have you seen her in Other Space? She also HAS played Squirrel Girl in the animated Marvel Rising movies. My hubby and I both have crushes on her.
I will check out Other Space if I can
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