Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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  2. A

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  1. Christopher

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    Interesting choice of example. Columbo was a very low-tech guy, but he sometimes dealt with cases involving cutting-edge tech of the day, like the William Shatner episode where the rich murderer (they were always rich) used a rare, high-end gadget called a video cassette recorder to give himself an alibi, or the one from the '80s/'90s reboot where the discovery that a newfangled fax machine could reprint the last sent page provided an important clue. But at the same time, it was startling how primitive police forensics were as late as the early '90s, with cops still handling evidence with bare hands and smoking at crime scenes.
     
  2. theenglish

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    I think that is a very insightful comment. One thing the MCU has done really well is build a sense of customer trust, which is something that big companies tend to ignore sometimes. I mentioned in another thread that I am a huge Amazon supporter, and a good part of that is because for twenty years their customer support and attention has treated me really well--it is a company in which I have built a sense of trust--and I feel the same way about the MCU.
     
  3. theenglish

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    Life on Mars (the British version) did an excellent job of illustrating the "dark ages" of police work.
     
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  4. OCD Geek

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    Feige will go down as one of the great producer/auteurs alongside Walt Disney, Val Lewton and Arthur Freed.
     
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  6. theenglish

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    If you have a busy life, I can totally see this happening. I am a school administrator. The job is filled with impromptu meetings, unplanned events, dealing with people's personal issues--some days they all just blend together.
     
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  7. Mr. Adventure

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    Then again, audiences seemed to be OK with Captain America in the 40s and Wonder Woman in WWI? We have shows like The Americans, Mad Men and Stranger Things doing well with modern audiences.
     
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    But how many past superheroes that no one has ever heard of before can you create before it gets stupid? Captain America was fine. We could accept that there was a previous Ant-man and Captain Marvel was not on Earth for that long time. But a whole team of superheroes that would presumably do pretty public heroics? I don't know about that.
     
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  9. Christopher

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    I can't blame her. I don't think she even had a scene with Tom Holland. She came out for her cameo after Peter left, and she was just with Tony and Happy in a scene that advanced Tony & Pepper's relationship in a big way, and that did really feel like a scene from an Iron Man movie that briefly intruded into our Spider-Man movie. So from her perspective, it must have seemed like it was for an Iron Man movie.


    Both of those are characters rooted in the past. The Fantastic Four are all about cutting-edge invention and discovery. And as I said, movies that looked back to their beginnings have never worked well before. They work best as a famous, established, high-profile team, and the suggestion above that they became known during the 5-year gap is perfect for that. Up to now, Tony Stark has filled the role Reed Richards traditionally played in the comics, but Tony went into seclusion after the Decimation. Which makes that the perfect time for Reed to step in and fill the void of celebrity superhero inventor-philanthropist.
     
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  10. Timelord Victorious

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    Hmm, the snap could be a catalyst for them getting their powers even.

    Endgame established that there was a shockwave emanating from the stones.
    This could have happened while the future F4 were in space.
    While they watched in horror as half their crew disappeared, the shockwave hit them at the same moment the cosmic rays hit them, as well, all contributing to them getting their powers.


    Btw, when the people got unsnapped , they appeared in the same spot they disappeared, right?
    What about snap victims in Earth orbit or outer space at the time?
    Would they horribly die due to a lack of space ship at that spot?
     
  11. Gavin70

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    Word of God is that everyone who was snapped was brought back into a safe place.
     
  12. Christopher

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    They couldn't have, since the Earth has moved a fair distance through space in the interim.

    Most fiction forgets to acknowledge that point, but I saw something just recently where there was a dazed character, probably a time traveler, rambling about how you couldn't forget that time travel was also space travel or you'd miss where you were aiming. I can't remember whether it was something set in the MCU (like Agents of SHIELD -- or maybe something Tony said in Endgame?) or not. I just remember it was in some franchise where I was surprised they'd be science-savvy enough to acknowledge that.
     
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  13. Mr. Adventure

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    In this current system where every single movie is all supposed to be in one huge continuity, yeah that might be troublesome, I was fighting back against the notion that people flat out wouldn't go for a "period piece".

    Personally, I think there's too much super-science in the MCU (Wakanda is as crazy as the FF being around in the 60s) already but Reed could fill the void left by Tony Stark I suppose. I always felt the FF dynamic and their powers just feels retro to me and I always think of them with Doctor Doom who is very cold war and Kirbytech. I liked the Ultimate comics for a while so I think it can be done justice in a contemporary setting especially if their adventures land on the weird side. Ragnarok may be a sign that the MCU is in a place to be able to do that now.
     
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  14. Turtletrekker

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    Thinking a little more on the subject of visiting other time periods in the MCU, it occurred to me that there is a perfect character to use to explore different points of MCU history and you wouldn't even need to make an excuse for him not aging-- the newly acquired Wolverine. Marvel could set their stories anywhere in the 20th century and not even have to worry the age of their actor. My Wolverine trilogy would consist of an Indiana Jones style adventure set in the 40s, an early James Bond style movie set in the 60s and a Jack Ryan style movie set in the 90s. I would love for his base of operations to be Madripoor, one of the only elements of the X-Men universe that was totally untouched in the Fox movies.

    This may be an unpopular opinion, but I'd like to see the X-Men movies themselves be developed without the focus on Wolverine that the FoX-Men movies largely depended upon. The best way for the MCU X-Men movies to set themselves apart from the FoX-men movies is too not make the characters of Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Wolverine the focus. In fact, of the above four, the only one that's really necessary for an X-Men movie is Xavier, and even he can be reduced to a background role. I would want Wolverine to join the team eventually, but as a culmination of events at the end of a trilogy, not the start, as he was with the original Fox trilogy.
     
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  15. JD

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    I would go the other route, and have him in a smaller supporting role in the first movie, and then spin him off into his own series.
    There are a tooooonnnnn of X-Men characters, so I agree that it would be nice to see some different characters get some attention in the MCU version.
     
  16. Mr. Adventure

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    Nah, in the 40s Wolverine was fighting in WWII with Captain America. I really need to dig out my comics and go through them again someday...
    https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_268
     
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  17. Turtletrekker

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    I would have no problem with them bringing Chris Evans in for an appearance. ;) Bringing Natasha into a World War II set story might be a little more difficult.
     
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  18. grendelsbayne

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    Chris Evans might have a problem with it, though...

    Personally, I'd have enjoyed seeing the adventures of Wolverine and Cap in Nazi Germany, but I don't need any other old-timey Wolverine stories.

    I honestly wish they'd just give him a rest for a while, but he's unfortunately too popular to bench.
     
  19. Mr. Adventure

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    I've been out of the comic scene for a long time (years) does Wolverine still dominate there as bad as he used to?
     
  20. Turtletrekker

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    Actually, they killed him off and kept him dead for I believe 4 years. He has only recently returned to the fold. However, even while he was gone, there was still the time displaced Old Man Logan hanging about and the former X-23 taking on the mantle of Wolverine.
     
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