Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Christopher]

So after comparing to the Wikipedia article you posted, I asked it to confirm the accuracy of its response and explain the results--and give me a printable works cited page as sources a listed in clickable format on a general search so you can go to the sources and research on your own. If you'd like I can also ask it to review the Wikipedia page and confirm its accuracy?

You asked the intrinsically unreliable source, which is well known for telling people what they want to hear, to check its own reliability? That's like asking your Ouija board if spirits are real. The whole point of verification is to use an independent source.

 

[theenglish]

You asked the intrinsically unreliable source, which is well known for telling people what they want to hear, to check its own reliability? That's like asking your Ouija board if spirits are real. The whole point of verification is to use an independent source.

No--not really. It consolidates sources across multiple webpages and provides responses based on cross referencing those sources and generating a response. I've been using AI for work for the past year. For example, I can take hand written responses to specific questions from dozens of people, scan them in, and generate a list of priorities or concerns as well as references from other sources around the world to suggest strategies on how those concerns can be addressed. What would have been an impossible task for me due to time, I can now do in an hour. I then take the results back to the staff and get their feedback on the accuracy of the results, make adjustments as necessary and we have a plan. It's a tool to use. Did you read the analysis I gave you?

 

[Christopher]

Did you read the analysis I gave you?

AI or not AI, I don't see any value in asking any source to check its own reliability, which is fundamentally misunderstanding how verification works.

 

[theenglish]

AI or not AI, I don't see any value in asking any source to check its own reliability, which is fundamentally misunderstanding how verification works.

That's because you just don't seem to understand how to use it. It's not like it is actually "intelligence". It is an LLM and just does what you ask it to.

Here is what Gemini has to say about your points:

The critique leveled by the other posters is technically correct in its assessment of how foundational AI works, but it overlooks how modern AI systems are engineered to overcome those limitations.
Here is a direct, point-by-point response you can use to address their arguments objectively on the bulletin board.

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Response to Point 1: AI as a "Text Simulator" and the Role of External Data

• The Critique is Right About the Baseline: The poster is entirely correct about raw, standalone Large Language Models (LLMs). At their core, base models are probabilistic engines designed to predict the most likely next word based on patterns in their training data. They do not "know" facts the way humans do, and they can hallucinate plausible-sounding falsehoods.
• The Missing Context (RAG): Modern AI engines (including Gemini) rarely rely on just their internal "text simulation" for factual queries. They utilize a framework called Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG). When a user asks a factual question, the AI first deploys an independent search query to fetch live, real-world documents from the internet. It then reads those external documents and synthesizes an answer directly from that data, drastically reducing hallucination and forcing factual grounding. [1, 2, 3]
• Addressing the Wikipedia List: The poster provided Wikipedia's List of Genocides. Ironically, modern RAG-based AI systems pull directly from pages exactly like this to build their answers. If you review the specific data provided in the live Wikipedia snapshot, the page features extensive scholastic debates on historical events, including current 21st-century conflicts like the Gaza genocide, the Rohingya genocide, and the Ukrainian genocide—validating that an updated AI using live search reflects the exact mainstream data the poster suggested checking.

Response to Point 2: The "Ouija Board" Analogy vs. Prompt Engineering

• The "Ouija Board" Flaw: Comparing an AI checking its work to a Ouija board is a false equivalence. A Ouija board relies on ideomotor movements (subconscious human muscle movements) to generate randomized outputs with zero data processing.
• The Reality of AI Self-Correction: Asking an AI to "clarify" or "check its reasoning" is a standard computer science technique known as Chain-of-Thought (CoT) prompting or Self-Correction. While a model cannot magically find a fact it doesn't have access to, forcing it to break an argument down into step-by-step logic allows its internal neural network to identify mathematical anomalies or logical contradictions in its previous output. It isn't "asking spirits"; it is executing a logical debugging loop over text constraints.

Response to Point 3: What "Verification" Actually Means

• The Poster is Correct on Verification Logic: The third poster is entirely right on the principle of information literacy: a source cannot independently verify itself. If an AI makes a factual error due to a lack of data, asking it "Are you sure?" will often just result in a polite, equally wrong hallucination. True verification requires looking at the raw primary source material.
• How to Propery Verify AI Outputs: The value of the AI response is not that it is an "oracle of absolute truth," but that it acts as a highly efficient information synthesizer. To truly verify the claim:
  1. Do not ask the AI if it is right.
  2. Instead, ask the AI to provide the specific URLs or citations for the real-world text it is reading.
  3. Click those external links (like the Wikipedia link provided) to independently read and verify the source data yourself.

 

[camdudetenger2018]

The rest of the world already did want their own, as soon as they found out about Captain America. That's why the Soviets created the Red Guardian and everyone kept trying to make a new Super Soldier Serum.

and just like steve rogers aka captain america

alexi aka red guardian he was also on a team with other super heroes but the team was called the thunderbolts

lol lol

 

[camdudetenger2018]

Marvel Comics to Leave New York and Move Staffers to L.A. as Part of Major Overhaul (Exclusive)

The Disney-owned publisher is also getting a new editor in chief as 100 employees are being asked to relocate to Burbank by next July.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

i kinda hought marvel comics alrighty left new york city years ago

 

[SpockOfNine]

i kinda hought marvel comics alrighty left new york city years ago

You might be thinking of DC comics, which did move from NYC to Burbank. They put all normal comics on pause for two months and ran an event comic and tie ins to hold them over while they moved across the country.

 

[JD]

I will be honest, my mom is a boomer and she did not learn that much about the Holocaust compared to how much time my generation (millennials) spent learning about it. Heck, when my middle school took a trip across the country to DC, we specifically went to the Holocaust Museum.

My friend is a middle school history teacher and they still spend time teaching students about the Holocaust.


The problem is that no genocide since the Holocaust has been on the same scale. The world sucks but we have done a good job generally preventing the mass slaughter of millions of of people. The biggest genocides in the last 35-ish years have been in Rawanda (800k people killed), the Hutu genocide (230k) and Darfur (500k). The issue with those three is - why did Black Panther not intervene in the genocides (even covertly) to stop them, as Wakanda is right next door to all three?

If you go back further than that, you are not really future proofing Magneto's origin, as the character will be part of the MCU for the next 15 to 20 years, meaning anything pre-1990 will be 50+ years in the past, which basically puts us back in the same spot we are in right now.

At the end of the day, the easiest solution is to just keep Magneto as he is... Or make up a new genocide in Eastern Europe.

But does it really need to be a genocide, couldn't he just have been caught up in a war or something. Maybe he had a family that was killed in the Bosnian War or something like that. Him and Lorna could be the only two survivors who got out. And if they really want to make Wanda and Peitro his kids too, we could get the big surprise that they survived the war and were adopted by a Sokovian family.

You know I think you could make a good "Star City" type of show focused on this Russian team. Even with a new Red Guardian who has replaced the old one who is now with the Thunderbolts or Avengers.

Or they could do it as a prequel and explore his career earlier time as Red Guardian. I've suspected ever since Black Widow that he wasn't as big of a deal as thinks he was, so that could a fun little twist to throw into it. That he was actually a nobody who was given the crap assignments, and he spend the whole show trying to move up to the better missions.

 

[SpockOfNine]

But does it really need to be a genocide, couldn't he just have been caught up in a war or something. Maybe he had a family that was killed in the Bosnian War or something like that. Him and Lorna could be the only two survivors who got out. And if they really want to make Wanda and Peitro his kids too, we could get the big surprise that they survived the war and were adopted by a Sokovian family.

Or they could do it as a prequel and explore his career earlier time as Red Guardian. I've suspected ever since Black Widow that he wasn't as big of a deal as thinks he was, so that could a fun little twist to throw into it. That he was actually a nobody who was given the crap assignments, and he spend the whole show trying to move up to the better missions.

You could make it a massacre, I guess. It removes a lot of the narrative bite from Magneto's human racism though. Becoming the leader of a pro-homo-sapiens-genocide faction because you never want your people (mutants) to experience what he, Magneto, suffered when he was a child seems like a mega over-reaction if it was just a random raid on his village.

Then again, they could just take him back to his roots of being the leader of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, and really try to distance themselves from the villain-leaning-anti-hero portrayal they had in the FoX-Man movies.

 

[theenglish]

Or they could just go with the idea that both Xavier and Magneto have suffered in their lives because of racism against mutants--but chose different paths in how to deal with it.

 

[Xerxes82]

But does it really need to be a genocide,

Yes.

The entire point of Magneto, or at least the nuanced, layered version built on top of the mustache twirling villain of old is that he knows, absolutely with 100% certainty KNOWS, what will happen to mutants. Because he watched it happen to Jews. He lived it. It isn't theory, or fear, or paranoia. It WILL happen, in his mind, because it DID happen. He has seen evil destroy his people once, and now he sees it everywhere. Because how could he not?

Now, it doesn't have to the the Holocaust. Personally, I think it should be, for a variety of reasons. And I think there is enough wiggle room built into the mutant concept for Magneto to have an unusually long lifespan as a result of his mutation in addition to his powers. But it doesn't have to be. But yes, it has to be a genocide. An unequivocal, unmitigated evil perpetrated on people solely for something intrinsic and born of irrational hate. The character doesn't make any sense otherwise.

Now, that said, you could simply go with a much more standard villain approach. Then it doesn't really matter. Why do Bond villains do what they do? Because they're the bad guy! Nothing wrong with that approach, and it would mark their Magneto as different from the Fox version pretty clearly.

But, given some of the casting rumors appearing (and assuming, of course, that those rumors aren't all totally fabricated, which they easily could be), I find that unlikely to be the direction Marvel goes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The last thing I read online was Pietro and Wanda were not his kids anymore, but I think Lorna still is.

I don't like this.

Since Axis in 2016.

The High Evolutionary made them, like he made Spider-Woman.

I remember Lorna pooping on her family in Realm of Kings, and I also remember a flashback where Eric murders Lorna's step father, just because... But my memory can't be completely trusted.

IRONICALLY, Their MOTHER, THE Eurotrash twins, once upon a time, was Miss America?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think Mutants would have been seen as even more dangerous though than people with Super Powers. I think it's because their would simply be more mutants in the world than people with powers the other way around.

It's about taking your grand babies to church, and how much shit you take from your closest friends about how that grand baby has a tail.

 

[camdudetenger2018]

You might be thinking of DC comics, which did move from NYC to Burbank. They put all normal comics on pause for two months and ran an event comic and tie ins to hold them over while they moved across the country.

oh ok

 

[Morpheus 02]

Yes.

The entire point of Magneto, or at least the nuanced, layered version built on top of the mustache twirling villain of old is that he knows, absolutely with 100% certainty KNOWS, what will happen to mutants. Because he watched it happen to Jews. He lived it. It isn't theory, or fear, or paranoia. It WILL happen, in his mind, because it DID happen. He has seen evil destroy his people once, and now he sees it everywhere. Because how could he not?

Now, it doesn't have to the the Holocaust. Personally, I think it should be, for a variety of reasons. And I think there is enough wiggle room built into the mutant concept for Magneto to have an unusually long lifespan as a result of his mutation in addition to his powers. But it doesn't have to be. But yes, it has to be a genocide. An unequivocal, unmitigated evil perpetrated on people solely for something intrinsic and born of irrational hate. The character doesn't make any sense otherwise.

Now, that said, you could simply go with a much more standard villain approach. Then it doesn't really matter. Why do Bond villains do what they do? Because they're the bad guy! Nothing wrong with that approach, and it would mark their Magneto as different from the Fox version pretty clearly.

But, given some of the casting rumors appearing (and assuming, of course, that those rumors aren't all totally fabricated, which they easily could be), I find that unlikely to be the direction Marvel goes.

I would second these thoughts...

The Holocaust is the most powerful genocide that could be used...but a more modern one would make sense for modern day sensibilities. It could also open up a more diverse casting choice. Or, if they need to make something either political neutral and/or historical fungible (i.e. shift the timeline), something like a Sokovia massacre could work.

But @Xerxes82 is right.... such a significant genocide would really deepen Magneto as a villain, both showing a true justification, but also provide that hypocritical moment when he acts likes the villain he fears (making him a a villain)

 

[Turtletrekker]

Interesting. In the first clip on Good Morning America, while promoting the new Spider-Man movie, John Bernthal implied that Tom Holland was going to be a father, and in the second clip Zendaya is supposedly soon taking a "work break".

Hmmm

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[JD]

You could make it a massacre, I guess. It removes a lot of the narrative bite from Magneto's human racism though. Becoming the leader of a pro-homo-sapiens-genocide faction because you never want your people (mutants) to experience what he, Magneto, suffered when he was a child seems like a mega over-reaction if it was just a random raid on his village.

Then again, they could just take him back to his roots of being the leader of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, and really try to distance themselves from the villain-leaning-anti-hero portrayal they had in the FoX-Man movies.

Yes.

The entire point of Magneto, or at least the nuanced, layered version built on top of the mustache twirling villain of old is that he knows, absolutely with 100% certainty KNOWS, what will happen to mutants. Because he watched it happen to Jews. He lived it. It isn't theory, or fear, or paranoia. It WILL happen, in his mind, because it DID happen. He has seen evil destroy his people once, and now he sees it everywhere. Because how could he not?

Now, it doesn't have to the the Holocaust. Personally, I think it should be, for a variety of reasons. And I think there is enough wiggle room built into the mutant concept for Magneto to have an unusually long lifespan as a result of his mutation in addition to his powers. But it doesn't have to be. But yes, it has to be a genocide. An unequivocal, unmitigated evil perpetrated on people solely for something intrinsic and born of irrational hate. The character doesn't make any sense otherwise.

Now, that said, you could simply go with a much more standard villain approach. Then it doesn't really matter. Why do Bond villains do what they do? Because they're the bad guy! Nothing wrong with that approach, and it would mark their Magneto as different from the Fox version pretty clearly.

But, given some of the casting rumors appearing (and assuming, of course, that those rumors aren't all totally fabricated, which they easily could be), I find that unlikely to be the direction Marvel goes.

I don't know, I could see losing his whole family to humans being enough to turn him into the Magneto we expect him to be. I don't really see where needs to be something on the scale of the Holocaust. I would think just having his family targeted and killed just because of who they are would be enough.

 

[camdudetenger2018]

Interesting. In the first clip on Good Morning America, while promoting the new Spider-Man movie, John Bernthal implied that Tom Holland was going to be a father, and in the second clip Zendaya is supposedly soon taking a "work break".

Hmmm

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peter parker and michelle jones being parents

whats next

 

[Morpheus 02]

peter parker and michelle jones being parents

whats next

MayDay in the baby carriage!

 

[oktay]

According to Jeff Sneider, Drew Starkey, Bill Skarsgård, and Tom Pelphrey are shortlisted for the role of Professor X in the "X-MEN" film. Monica Barbaro is also reportedly being considered for a role in the "X-MEN" film. According to Jeff Sneider, Michelle Randolph is reportedly being considered for the role of Emma Frost in Marvel Studios' 'X-Men' reboot.