Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[cooleddie74]

To me Christian Bale's Gor the God Butcher feels like the biggest disappointment and waste of an MCU villain, and I actually liked Love and Thunder. But Bale, in spite of the good actor he is, just didn't deliver a good antagonist for the film, making him more of a dangerous pest you feel a lot more sorry for than intimidated by. There are considerably weaker MCU films that have better villains, and that's a recurring issue in big tent franchises.

The movie is so much better than the main bad guy.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Going back a bit, I think Ronan, Ultron and the Skrulls should have been multi-movie villains.
Lost potential.

Same can be said about most villains in Superhero films

 

[Set Harth]

Old school Kirk was never a rogue.

A stack of books with legs, or so they say.

 

[Nerys Myk]

A stack of books with legs, or so they say.

Into that longhair stuff

 

[theenglish]

I don't know how to make links to things outside of YouTube but if you look into Joseph Quinn interview and IndieWire it covers it. I will give one quote thought by retyping it.

"Myself and Kevin(Feige) were speaking about previous iterations of him and where we are culturally. He was branded as this womanizing,devil-may-care guy, but is that sexy these days? I don't think so. This version of Johnny is less callous with other people's feelings, and hopefully there's a self-awareness about what's driving that attention-seeking behavior."

The whole thing screams "watered down" even by PG-13 standards. I get what they are probably going to go for. A more polite,neutered version of Deadpool. He will make Dad jokes and like to show off but nothing that strikes me as all that interesting, especially since we already got a great version of the character in Chris Evans. I mean I know they aren't exactly making a A24 movie but Disney really seems keen these days on sanding down the edges and making characters less interesting with less personality more and more with each passing year.

By the time I started reading the FF, Johnny was dating Crystal. He teased Ben too much. He had temper tantrums sometimes. In the earlier comics, he was a teenager and had lots of teen girls swooning over him. I don't remember him as being a womanizer though. He was stubborn and often got his ass kicked by flying into a fight without thinking it through. It's been a long time since I've read those books, so I'm probably misremembering.

Boomerang is such a low level guy, it'd be like Shocker in Homecoming, he's there to serve a plot function and that's all he needs to do. I have to imagine they're planning to work in the roommate thing somehow, otherwise why even use him?

I'd enjoy seeing some of the rogues list as minor villains in different heists that Spider-Man stops during the course of the movie. Or, similarly, I'd like to see them as minor goons who face off against him on a trail that leads to the Big Bad.

You think Johnny is edgy?
Spidey in the early comics was a release for Peter. He could be cocky, sarcastic and irreverent. To be honest, that's been missing from the Holland films. Maybe the new one will bring that back.

And Peter and Johnny were good friends for awhile.

 

[StarTrek1701]

To me Christian Bale's Gor the God Butcher feels like the biggest disappointment and waste of an MCU villain, and I actually liked Love and Thunder. But Bale, in spite of the good actor he is, just didn't deliver a good antagonist for the film, making him more of a dangerous pest you feel a lot more sorry for than intimidated by. There are considerably weaker MCU films that have better villains, and that's a recurring issue in big tent franchises.

The movie is so much better than the main bad guy.

And to think Gor's introduction in the comics was legendary. A new villain with an interesting backstory. A worthy enemy to Thor with actual motivation.
For Love and Thunder all they had to do was truncate Gor's initial run and they'd have another billion dollar movie in their hands.
Instead we got Thor having another mid life crisis, Waititi's self insert character and Lady Thor who was hated for the entire run in the comics.
Marvel Studios have only themselves to blame for their current state.

Same can be said about most villains in Superhero films

Joker in TDK, Zod in MoS, Steppenwolf in ZSJL from DC side, Zemo, Loki and Thanos from MCU. It could be done.
The DC ones I mentioned may not be multi movie villains, but they were memorable.
At least Ultron's returning in VisionQuest, now get Ronan back in Captain Marvel 3.

 

[Jayson1]

To me Christian Bale's Gor the God Butcher feels like the biggest disappointment and waste of an MCU villain, and I actually liked Love and Thunder. But Bale, in spite of the good actor he is, just didn't deliver a good antagonist for the film, making him more of a dangerous pest you feel a lot more sorry for than intimidated by. There are considerably weaker MCU films that have better villains, and that's a recurring issue in big tent franchises.

The movie is so much better than the main bad guy.

To me that movie failed because they didn't use his potential like said, all the humor failed and Lady Thor also wasn't used well. It would be interesting if they took a more serious approach to the fact that to get those powers it's because Jane is dying from cancer. The movie should have been darker and more tragic. Would have also provided a change of pace from the previous one which was all fun and wacky adventure stuff. Which I liked but no need to try to hard to recapture that spirit again.

 

[Starkers]

Lady Thor was the best thing about the film, and it was great that Portman finally got something to get her teeth into, but stage four cancer jokes are a really specific kind of humour not suited to this kind of film.

I thought Bale was fantastic. He was just obviously making a different film to everyone else.