Marvel All New, All Different - Ongoing Discussion (Spoilers)

[Mike Farley]

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I wonder if Neal Adams will bring as much crazy to this as he brought to BATMAN: ODYSSEY?

 

[Allyn Gibson]

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Now Marvel is announcing First X-Men by Christos Gage and Neal Adams that will tell the tale of a pre-Prof. X team of X-Men that was founded by Wolverine. So now, we are to believe that Wolverine was the first X-Man.

I think the important question is this -- will First X-Men be as batshit insane as Batman: Odyssey?

 

[Mr Light]

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Why would they release AVSX:VS and AVSX on the same day? I thought the point of this was to have one book every week...

Of course, they also often released Avengers and New Avengers on the same day as well, which always baffled me...

 

[Derishton]

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Well, first Johnathon Hickman told us that SHIELD was actually formed in 2620 BC by the Egyptian Pharoh Imotep. Then we were told by Brian Michael Bendis that the Avengers were actually formed in 1959 by Nick Fury.

Now Marvel is announcing First X-Men by Christos Gage and Neal Adams that will tell the tale of a pre-Prof. X team of X-Men that was founded by Wolverine. So now, we are to believe that Wolverine was the first X-Man.

It sounds really cheesy to me, but I am a fan of Christos Gage, so I will hold off on deciding about it until I know more.

It feels as though Marvel is trying to grab the "long history" effect that DC gave up last year, or something.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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Why would they release AVSX:VS and AVSX on the same day? I thought the point of this was to have one book every week...

Of course, they also often released Avengers and New Avengers on the same day as well, which always baffled me...

Two sides of the business.

Business men and artists.

The further up the totem you go, the less artists you find.

Take Loeb for instance.

Please.

Take him.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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Well, it seems that the return of Thanos in Avengers Assemble will also signal the return of The Guardians of the Galaxy.

Peter Quill is back from his seeming death in Thanos Imperitive. Do we know if the Nova who showed up in AvX was Richard Rider or not? Rocket Raccoon is shown, but no Groot? I thought that they travelled together. How did Bug from the Micronauts get full-sized? Back in the old Micronauts book, whenever the team came to the macro-verse, they were still small compared to the rest of the world.

 

[Hound of UIster]

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Continuity. Bendis.

Pick one.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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bug was full size in the guardians.

Shitty tech left them so small in the universe in the 80s.

Everyone was the same size in the microverse (AND NOT HUGE) when standard sized universe people went to the microverse and back.

Thanos is not evil, or power mad, he's just a pragmatist with unhealthy goals.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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bug was full size in the guardians.

Shitty tech left them so small in the universe in the 80s.

Everyone was the same size in the microverse (AND NOT HUGE) when standard sized universe people went to the microverse and back.

True enough. Marvel Cosmic has been, due to financial reasons more than anything else, more of something that I have kept abreast of through the internet rather than actually following. So while I knew Bug was a Guardian, I never knew the details.

His wiki page only says that he was found as a prisoner of the Kree in Annihilation: Conquest, but no word is given as to how and why he was in the Macro-verse in the first place. Has any word been given as to how he wound up here or as to the fate of the rest of the Micron(aut)s?

 

[Guy Gardener]

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Sex.

I'm not joking.

I usually joke about these things.

But this is real.

The Kree have very strict purity guidelines.

Bug was caught in delicate congress with a girl on the no-no list.

He got life imprisonment.

Not sure what happened to the girl.

She was probably recycled.

 

[Mike Farley]

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True enough. Marvel Cosmic has been, due to financial reasons more than anything else, more of something that I have kept abreast of through the internet rather than actually following. So while I knew Bug was a Guardian, I never knew the details.

His wiki page only says that he was found as a prisoner of the Kree in Annihilation: Conquest, but no word is given as to how and why he was in the Macro-verse in the first place. Has any word been given as to how he wound up here or as to the fate of the rest of the Micron(aut)s?

There's been no explanation as to why Bug is normal sized. Arcturus and Marionette appeared in a miniseries that was nominally supposed to be a Son of Hulk series, but was really a stealth Micronauts mini. The Micros are calling themselves the Enigma Force these days.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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In New Mutants 50 - 52 ish somewhere... Just before the 90s, the kids go out to fetch Xavier, and there is a bar scene in space where Marionette and Acturus Rann are normal sized and getting loaded.

It's just one panel and they don't say anything.

But I always thought that it was weird.

 

[Saga]

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Do we know if the Nova who showed up in AvX was Richard Rider or not?

they never stated his name. Cap says something like 'a member of the Nova Corps.' and thats it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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There was a comic prequelling AvX called "Infinite" by Mark Waid, and it was just a succession of splash pages of Richrard unloading a stream of conciousness, at warp 10 keeping barely 4 feet ahead of the Phoenix, on the way to Earth.

"If I fail the Phoenix is going to destroy all the Snickers bars in the universe! i will not be responsible for the end of Snickers!"

Beautiful but annoying.

 

[shivkala]

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^
Reminds me of Flashpoint (sidenote, I've been trying to forget Flashpoint, so that isn't a good thing), when the S.H.A.Z.A.M. group decides they'll join the fight, because the fight between Aquaman and Wonder Woman would mean no more pizza.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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"You don't understand, in the future, all restaurants are Taco Bell."

 

[Turtletrekker]

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I'm rather busy today and bought a lot of books, so I won't be able to comment on most of them right now, but I wanted to post my thoughts on Fantastic Four 605.1, which is my pick of the week.

This is the story of Reed Richards and company on an Earth where the Nazi's won WW2 and rule the world. This Reed still makes his historic flight, along with the "Sturm" siblings and the "Jew pilot", Ben Grimm, at the behest of Hitler himself.

When Reed comes upon a stumbling block in his calculations, it is the work of a brilliant yet humble scientist named Viktor Von Doom that makes the breakthrough. Reed then "rewards" Victor by disecting his brain and transplanting some of it to his own head.

Reed convinces Grimm, and then gives him the means, to kill Hitler. Reed then kills Grimm and the Sturm siblings, leaving the world to his own "gentle care". Richards obtains an Infinity Gauntlet and massacres the heroes of the world, but in an uncontrolled moment, accidently destroys his own Earth.

He then decides that his destiny is to "fix everything". To this end, he recruits two other Reeds from other dimensions and forms "The Council of Reeds". Yes, this is the origin of the council, and the Reed from Nazi-Earth is the bald, bearded Reed that we met in Hickman's first arc.

Remember that it was this Reed who showed 616-Reed "The Pit", where the council kept all of the lobotomizized Dooms, and told him that Doom was the greatest threat in all the multi-verse. And yet, the Doom of Nazi-Earth didn't appear to be a threat to anyone... except Nazi-Reed. The implications are staggering. How many Dooms did the council "neutralize", and how many of them were actually evil? Were all the Dooms actually a threat to the multi-verse, or just to the Council of Reeds? Mind-boggling stuff.

If there were ever any doubt that the Council was a bad idea, this issue should put them to rest. The fact that Hickman is giving us this realization on top of where he left 616-Doom, makes it all the more sad to me that he is leaving the book.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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Daredevil 13 was a little disappointing. After all of the build-up of the Omega Drive storyline, the finish of it seemed a little rushed and just a little too easy. It makes you wonder why Matt held onto the drive for as long as he did in the first place. The cliffhanger was intertesting though. Who wouldn't want to visit Latervia this time of year?

New Mutants 42 is part three of the "Exiled" crossover with Journey into Mystery. So far, the story has really been more of a NM story than anything else as Loki is still under the spell cast by Sigurd (and ironically, supplied to Sigurd by Loki's previous incarnation). It's fun seeing all of the Asgardians in their new lives in the re-structured reality-- especially Volstagg, who owns a pastry shop that is always out of treats, and is greeted like Norm in "Cheers" at the local pub (owned by Fandral).

Winter Soldier 5-- What more need be said except Bucky, Black Widow, Nick Fury and Dr. Doom written by Brubaker? Winter Soldier continues to be a very solid read that is consistently better than it's sister title, Captain America.

 

[shivkala]

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I don't seem to have disliked Daredevil #13 as much as some people around the 'net seemed to. I thought it was an interesting ploy by Matt to settle the whole Omega Drive trouble. I also thought it was a nice counterpoint to last issue, where Matt describes the time he and Foggy became friends and he almost lost after only going in with "90% of a plan." It seems he thought things through this time.

 

[Mike Farley]

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I thought DAREDEVIL #13 (and #12) were pretty good. It was that Spider-Man/Punisher team-up before that I didn't really like. Although some of that probably comes from skipping the Spider-Man and Punisher parts of the tale.