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- not because NBC was pushing a 'tolerance' agenda; but more because data showed more minorities were getting TV sets and watching; and the advertisers wanted to tap into that new market.
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Yes. Ad revenue has long been a huge decision-making factor in commercial media.

Kor
 
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I hate to burst your bubble, but if you want to see what GR really proposed - see "The Cage" (and BTW Majel Barret was only cast in the role of "Number One" in it because she was GR's mistress at the time.)

Fair enough! I wasn't aware so thanks for the info. I have very little time for Gene Roddenberry generally, especially in light of the things he's rumoured to have done to Grace Lee Whitney.

What is true about him though, no matter his character, is that he was pushing for a future that embraced science, reason, multiculturalism and equality... however narrow some of those concepts might have been, both in their definitions and in his own interpretation, at the time.
 
Well, a girl with the name of Michael? Maybe her parents want a son, but got a daughter instead. so they name her Michael. it's not a big deal. A Japanese manga that I read long time ago, Versailles also had a woman with a guy name. Lady Oscar. And I have a friend from university, a guy, with a girl name; yes, he's just as manly as the other, and love a girl who he's marry now.
 
Was there this much hubbub over 'Cassidy' back in the day, and I just missed it?

And someone better give Avery Brooks the bad news.
 
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Michael is a very strange name for a female. Why the gender confusion?

Since transgender was brought up, let's see what the science has to say about the topic.

American College of Pediatricians: Gender Ideology Harms Children

The American College of Pediatricians urges healthcare professionals, educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts – not ideology – determine reality.

[. . .]

Rates of suicide are nearly twenty times greater among adults who use cross-sex hormones and undergo sex reassignment surgery, even in Sweden which is among the most LGBTQ – affirming countries. What compassionate and reasonable person would condemn young children to this fate knowing that after puberty as many as 88% of girls and 98% of boys will eventually accept reality and achieve a state of mental and physical health?

[. . .]

The bottom line is this: Our opponents advocate a new scientifically baseless standard of care for children with a psychological condition (GD) that would otherwise resolve after puberty for the vast majority of patients concerned. Specifically, they advise: affirmation of children’s thoughts which are contrary to physical reality; the chemical castration of these children prior to puberty with GnRH agonists (puberty blockers which cause infertility, stunted growth, low bone density, and an unknown impact upon their brain development), and, finally, the permanent sterilization of these children prior to age 18 via cross-sex hormones. There is an obvious self-fulfilling nature to encouraging young GD children to impersonate the opposite sex and then institute pubertal suppression. If a boy who questions whether or not he is a boy (who is meant to grow into a man) is treated as a girl, then has his natural pubertal progression to manhood suppressed, have we not set in motion an inevitable outcome? All of his same sex peers develop into young men, his opposite sex friends develop into young women, but he remains a pre-pubertal boy. He will be left psychosocially isolated and alone. He will be left with the psychological impression that something is wrong. He will be less able to identify with his same sex peers and being male, and thus be more likely to self identify as “non-male” or female. Moreover, neuroscience reveals that the pre-frontal cortex of the brain which is responsible for judgment and risk assessment is not mature until the mid-twenties. Never has it been more scientifically clear that children and adolescents are incapable of making informed decisions regarding permanent, irreversible and life-altering medical interventions. For this reason, the College maintains it is abusive to promote this ideology, first and foremost for the well-being of the gender dysphoric children themselves, and secondly, for all of their non-gender-discordant peers, many of whom will subsequently question their own gender identity, and face violations of their right to bodily privacy and safety.​

Note that this is not an attack on those who have already gone through the ideological, chemical and surgical abuse. On the contrary, those people need to seek professional help and care.

This post was motivated by reason and compassion.
 
Michael is a very strange name for a female. Why the gender confusion?

Since transgender was brought up...

By you.

In the context of pseudo science and conspiracy theories.

And I'm saying it now: if any theoretical person accepts the word of 'The American College of Pediatricians' without googleing what the organisation even is, then they're fucking idiots. Here's a big frigging hint: You don't go to 'Pediatrician' school to get a fucking medical degree, people.
 
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Was there this much hubbub over 'Cassidy' back in the day, and I just missed it?

And someone better give Avery Brooks the bad news.
No, trans people didn't start freaking people out until a year or two ago.

Michael is a very strange name for a female. Why the gender confusion?

Since transgender was brought up, let's see what the science has to say about the topic.

American College of Pediatricians: Gender Ideology Harms Children

The American College of Pediatricians urges healthcare professionals, educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts – not ideology – determine reality.

[. . .]

Rates of suicide are nearly twenty times greater among adults who use cross-sex hormones and undergo sex reassignment surgery, even in Sweden which is among the most LGBTQ – affirming countries. What compassionate and reasonable person would condemn young children to this fate knowing that after puberty as many as 88% of girls and 98% of boys will eventually accept reality and achieve a state of mental and physical health?

[. . .]

The bottom line is this: Our opponents advocate a new scientifically baseless standard of care for children with a psychological condition (GD) that would otherwise resolve after puberty for the vast majority of patients concerned. Specifically, they advise: affirmation of children’s thoughts which are contrary to physical reality; the chemical castration of these children prior to puberty with GnRH agonists (puberty blockers which cause infertility, stunted growth, low bone density, and an unknown impact upon their brain development), and, finally, the permanent sterilization of these children prior to age 18 via cross-sex hormones. There is an obvious self-fulfilling nature to encouraging young GD children to impersonate the opposite sex and then institute pubertal suppression. If a boy who questions whether or not he is a boy (who is meant to grow into a man) is treated as a girl, then has his natural pubertal progression to manhood suppressed, have we not set in motion an inevitable outcome? All of his same sex peers develop into young men, his opposite sex friends develop into young women, but he remains a pre-pubertal boy. He will be left psychosocially isolated and alone. He will be left with the psychological impression that something is wrong. He will be less able to identify with his same sex peers and being male, and thus be more likely to self identify as “non-male” or female. Moreover, neuroscience reveals that the pre-frontal cortex of the brain which is responsible for judgment and risk assessment is not mature until the mid-twenties. Never has it been more scientifically clear that children and adolescents are incapable of making informed decisions regarding permanent, irreversible and life-altering medical interventions. For this reason, the College maintains it is abusive to promote this ideology, first and foremost for the well-being of the gender dysphoric children themselves, and secondly, for all of their non-gender-discordant peers, many of whom will subsequently question their own gender identity, and face violations of their right to bodily privacy and safety.​

Note that this is not an attack on those who have already gone through the ideological, chemical and surgical abuse. On the contrary, those people need to seek professional help and care.

This post was motivated by reason and compassion.
Bullshit. The American College of Pediatricians is a hate group started to ban gay couples from adopting and forcing reparative therapies on LGBTQ+ people.
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has said that ACPeds is a "hate group" and a "fringe group" which closely collaborates with the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), and has "a history of propagating damaging falsehoods about LGBT people, including linking homosexuality to pedophilia". In response to an ACPeds brief, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) wrote that ACPeds is a fringe group that has acted to promote "unscientific and harmful 'reparative therapies' for LGBTQ students."

In reality, actual medical organizations recognize the validity of transgender people and recommend transitioning (hormone therapy and surgeries) as the only valid treatment for gender dysphoria, which transgender people frequently have. It's important to note that being transgender isn't an effect of dysphoria, but that it's the other way around. It's the feeling of not being comfortable with your physical gender and social role due to it. After transitioning, nearly all transgender patients report relief from it. Claiming otherwise is based on misinformation and actually dangerous.

Here is the actual facts from real medical organizations. Not political groups spreading hate.

The American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American Psychological Association all advocate transitioning as valid and important care, and the World Health Organization will advocate it in the ICD-11(which will be published in 2018):

From the American Medical Association (AMA):

H-185.950 Removing Financial Barriers to Care for Transgender Patients.

Our AMA supports public and private health insurance coverage for treatment of gender identity disorder as recommended by the patient’s physician. (Res. 122; A-08)

From the American Psychiatric Association (APA):

Issue: Significant and long-standing medical and psychiatric literature exists that demonstrates clear benefits of medical and surgical interventions to assist gender variant individuals seeking transition.

From the American Psychological Association (APA):

In 2009, the APA Council of Representatives adopted the Resolution on Transgender, Gender Identity, & Gender Expression Non‐Discrimination, which calls upon psychologists in their professional roles to provide appropriate, nondiscriminatory treatment; encourages psychologists to take a leadership role in working against discrimination; supports the provision of adequate and necessary mental and medical health care; recognizes the efficacy, benefit and medical necessity of gender transition; supports access to appropriate treatment in institutional settings; and supports the creation of educational resources for all psychologists (Anton, 2009).

From the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP):

While a child's gender-specific behavior seems to be influenced by their identification with the males and females in their lives, the sense of being a girl or a boy (i.e. gender identity) cannot be changed.

From the DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, used in the U.S. for diagnosis of mental health issues):

Respecting the Patient, Ensuring Access to Care

DSM not only determines how mental disorders are defined and diagnosed, it also impacts how people see themselves and how we see each other. While diagnostic terms facilitate clinical care and access to insurance coverage that supports mental health, these terms can also have a stigmatizing effect. DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care for individuals who see and feel themselves to be a different gender than their assigned gender. It replaces the diagnostic name “gender identity disorder” with “gender dysphoria,” as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria. It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.

Need for Change

Persons experiencing gender dysphoria need a diagnostic term that protects their access to care and won’t be used against them in social, occupational, or legal areas.

When it comes to access to care, many of the treatment options for this condition include counseling, cross-sex hormones, gender reassignment surgery, and social and legal transition to the desired gender. To get insurance coverage for the medical treatments, individuals need a diagnosis. The Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders Work Group was concerned that removing the condition as a psychiatric diagnosis—as some had suggested—would jeopardize access to care.

From the draft of the ICD-11(the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems) by the World Health Organization (WHO):

Gender Incongruence of Adolescence and Adulthood is characterized by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual´s experienced gender and the assigned sex, which often leads to a desire to ‘transition’, in order to live and be accepted as a person of the experienced gender, through hormonal treatment, surgery or other health care services to make the individual´s body align, as much as desired and to the extent possible, with the experienced gender.

Your post is promoting bigotry and purposeful misinformation.
 
Michael is a very strange name for a female. Why the gender confusion?

Since transgender was brought up, let's see what the science has to say about the topic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians
American College of Pediatricians: Gender Ideology Harms Children

The American College of Pediatricians urges healthcare professionals, educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts – not ideology – determine reality.

[. . .]

Rates of suicide are nearly twenty times greater among adults who use cross-sex hormones and undergo sex reassignment surgery, even in Sweden which is among the most LGBTQ – affirming countries. What compassionate and reasonable person would condemn young children to this fate knowing that after puberty as many as 88% of girls and 98% of boys will eventually accept reality and achieve a state of mental and physical health?

[. . .]

The bottom line is this: Our opponents advocate a new scientifically baseless standard of care for children with a psychological condition (GD) that would otherwise resolve after puberty for the vast majority of patients concerned. Specifically, they advise: affirmation of children’s thoughts which are contrary to physical reality; the chemical castration of these children prior to puberty with GnRH agonists (puberty blockers which cause infertility, stunted growth, low bone density, and an unknown impact upon their brain development), and, finally, the permanent sterilization of these children prior to age 18 via cross-sex hormones. There is an obvious self-fulfilling nature to encouraging young GD children to impersonate the opposite sex and then institute pubertal suppression. If a boy who questions whether or not he is a boy (who is meant to grow into a man) is treated as a girl, then has his natural pubertal progression to manhood suppressed, have we not set in motion an inevitable outcome? All of his same sex peers develop into young men, his opposite sex friends develop into young women, but he remains a pre-pubertal boy. He will be left psychosocially isolated and alone. He will be left with the psychological impression that something is wrong. He will be less able to identify with his same sex peers and being male, and thus be more likely to self identify as “non-male” or female. Moreover, neuroscience reveals that the pre-frontal cortex of the brain which is responsible for judgment and risk assessment is not mature until the mid-twenties. Never has it been more scientifically clear that children and adolescents are incapable of making informed decisions regarding permanent, irreversible and life-altering medical interventions. For this reason, the College maintains it is abusive to promote this ideology, first and foremost for the well-being of the gender dysphoric children themselves, and secondly, for all of their non-gender-discordant peers, many of whom will subsequently question their own gender identity, and face violations of their right to bodily privacy and safety.​

Note that this is not an attack on those who have already gone through the ideological, chemical and surgical abuse. On the contrary, those people need to seek phttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatriciansrofessional help and care.

This post was motivated by reason and compassion.


Please don't bring that bigotry in here.
 
based on his post history, either Baxten is probably troll.

Or drank the koolaid.
 
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Posting nonsense like that is like posting a link about African Americans from a KKK site. The most insulting part is that he claimed he was motivated by "reason and compassion". The stuff he posted has directly lead to people's deaths, to children's deaths. I'm on a few subreddits and read the final posts from teenagers who parents buy into the ideas he posted and forced them into radical therapies dreamed up by pseudoscientists and religious extremists. It's some of the most horrifically evil acts you can do to a child that's still considered legal in many states. I have no tolerance for it or anyone who spews out bigotry and abuse trying to pass it off as compassion.
 
Michael is a very strange name for a female. Why the gender confusion?

Since transgender was brought up, let's see what the science has to say about the topic.

American College of Pediatricians: Gender Ideology Harms Children

The American College of Pediatricians​

The American College of Pediatricians doesn't really have anything to do with science. If you want to provide a serious view you should look at the American Academy of Pediatrics instead. As @Awesome Possum already pointed out, the ACPeds was formed because some people hated gay people adopting.

Moderators have already asked you to stop the transgender trolling. It only serves to cause trouble and hurt people. This is not tolerated on this site.

Infraction for trolling. It comes with a temporary ban to give you time to reconsider your approach here.
 
Posting nonsense like that is like posting a link about African Americans from a KKK site. The most insulting part is that he claimed he was motivated by "reason and compassion". The stuff he posted has directly lead to people's deaths, to children's deaths. I'm on a few subreddits and read the final posts from teenagers who parents buy into the ideas he posted and forced them into radical therapies dreamed up by pseudoscientists and religious extremists. It's some of the most horrifically evil acts you can do to a child that's still considered legal in many states. I have no tolerance for it or anyone who spews out bigotry and abuse trying to pass it off as compassion.

Truly... and that is so dangerous for a posting like that (Baxten's post); all it accomplishes is to spread misinformation and lies. The comment about "reason and compassion" is just insult to injury. I liken his type to the people that think they can "pray away the gay". It doesn't work that way people. I don't pretend to understand the gay, transgender culture or what people go through, but a posting such as that based on nothing but psuedoscience and fear only aims to justify in their tiny little minds what they can't or won't understand and look for a solution where there is no problem.

I feel as if all of this thread has careened out of control. It went from a topic about a female lead's character being given an uncommon and atypical first name, to assumptions that it may be a transgender character on-screen... and now it's losing it's educational value from the last two and a half pages with the inclusion of bigoted and closed-minded posts by an asshat.

Postings and comments like Baxten's only prove that humanity is still lost ... so disappointing. You know.. i may have posted some misguided ideas in my postings, but at least I don't come in here with my mind already made up. Be flexible people. sheesh. A lot of good can come from just listening to each other.

A temporary ban is too good for that troll.
 
While I certainly agree with you, I'd like to ask people to get back to the actual topic. Please ignore the troll. It's been taken care of for now.
 
"Michael" is not common female name, but it's not like it's never been used as a female name. As someone pointed out above, the actress Michael Lerner is a relatively well-known example (she played the mother on The Waltons).

It's similar to "Kim" being used as a man's name. Kim may be an uncommon man's name, but it is used occasionally as such.
 
"Michael" is not common female name, but it's not like it's never been used as a female name. As someone pointed out above, the actress Michael Lerner is a relatively well-known example (she played the mother on The Waltons).

It's similar to "Kim" being used as a man's name. Kim may be an uncommon man's name, but it is used occasionally as such.
And for several decades "Kim" wasn't common for girls; it was actually more popular as a boy's name because of Rudyard Kipling's book Kim.

Kor
 
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