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Spoilers marsh8472's Consolidated Continuity Thread

Why does warp drive in Star Trek Discovery look so different?

  • Starfleet is employing advanced propulsion technology on their ships in addition to the Spore Drive

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Star Trek Discovery is showing correctly, every other series looks abnormal actually

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Nothing is wrong at all, everything is consistent everywhere

    Votes: 10 47.6%
  • Discovery is in a seperate timeline from TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT

    Votes: 3 14.3%
  • Star Trek Discovery's visual effect of the warp drive is incorrect

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 28.6%

  • Total voters
    21
Still, those are rather exceptions. It's widely known, from hundreds and hundreds of episodes of Star Trek series (as well as movies, not including the reboot ones), how ship phasers fire (at least Star Fleet phasers).

Yeah I don't get that vibe,

from pulses to streams, hand held to ship mounted I remember seeing a pretty good variety, yeah one was more common than the other, but that doesn't say anything really.
 
This is utterly false. Star Trek indulged in "pew pew" phasers many times before Abrams came along, most notably with the USS Defiant's pulse phasers. There's plenty of other examples we can all point out to like "Balance of Terror" from TOS in 1966, eleven years before Star Wars.
Geez, man. Ya totally ninja'd me! :lol:
 
This is utterly false. Star Trek indulged in "pew pew" phasers many times before Abrams came along, most notably with the USS Defiant's pulse phasers. There's plenty of other examples we can all point out to like "Balance of Terror" from TOS in 1966, eleven years before Star Wars.

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probably more like "phew......phew" in Balance of Terror
 
This is utterly false. Star Trek indulged in "pew pew" phasers many times before Abrams came along, most notably with the USS Defiant's pulse phasers. There's plenty of other examples we can all point out to like "Balance of Terror" from TOS in 1966, eleven years before Star Wars.

Trek had very nice "pew pew" phaser blasts in The Wrath of Khan.
 
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I think it's fair to say that phasers can be fired in both pulses and beams. There is no one or the other. FIRST CONTACT most famously featured both.


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We’ve also seen both the hand phasers in DSC. Both the pistol and the rifle.
 
...Heck, I'm taking a liking to the VFX of Enterprise nowadays. Cool combat choreographies, the hero ship is pretty, the background planets and nebulae augment rather than distract, and there's variety to the lighting that I never appreciated before.

I gather DSC has still plenty of time to improve its visuals. Or at least experiment on them more.

Timo Saloniemi
 
...Heck, I'm taking a liking to the VFX of Enterprise nowadays. Cool combat choreographies, the hero ship is pretty, the background planets and nebulae augment rather than distract, and there's variety to the lighting that I never appreciated before.

I gather DSC has still plenty of time to improve its visuals. Or at least experiment on them more.

Timo Saloniemi

It isn't the quality of the effects themselves, it's the execution of the animation, their use, the execution in general. It doesn't feel enjoyable to watch, they want to have way too much going on at any given time, it seems like it lacks and purpose other than to be on 11 every time.

The quality is great, I mean the look effing pretty. I like them slower, more dramatic over faster on 11, a mix of both would be preferable and with todays technology that should be doable.

They just don't know how to use space and vehicles to add or create drama.
 
Realistically, any beam should move at the speed of light.
And since phasers can fire while a starship is at warp technically they should be moving faster than light (which brings all sort of problems like hitting before firing etc, but no matter).

People expect beam weapons to look like tracer rounds ever since Star Wars. In my mind the beam itself can't be seen and what we see IS a tracer round. People just don't want to see instantaneous beams, I guess.
 
A "beam" could be a jet of water for all the Laws of Nature care - there's no set speed for it. Indeed, Trek weapons are often described as particle beams, which is pretty much a fancier way of saying lots of very small machine gun bullets.

Phaser physics are weird in any case. Perhaps it's a Law of Phaser Nature that it always takes three frames of film from gun to target, regardless of distance?

Timo Saloniemi
 
And since phasers can fire while a starship is at warp technically they should be moving faster than light (which brings all sort of problems like hitting before firing etc, but no matter).

People expect beam weapons to look like tracer rounds ever since Star Wars. In my mind the beam itself can't be seen and what we see IS a tracer round. People just don't want to see instantaneous beams, I guess.

As it's been explained to my simple brain by smart people,

lasers themselves do not move at light speed as lasers have some mass, but the light emitted does. :: edit :: Something about lasers, and laser beams being not exactly the same.

Now, I'm a knucklehead and could easily be misremembering this. I also know a phaser isn't a laser and am unsure of the physical differences

but it's possible, like with theorized plasma based weapons, that the damaging part of the weapon doesn't move quite at light speed, rather the light emitted does.
 
A laser is composed of coherant photons, massless, so does travel at c.

A particle beam launches subatomic particles which do have mass, at reletivistic but slightly lower than C. The particles have tremendous kinetic energy from the velocity they have been accelerated to. when they strike an object theoretically that kinetic energy is transferred to the object as heat, etc, with devastating results.
 
A laser is composed of coherant photons, massless, so does travel at c.

A particle beam launches subatomic particles which do have mass, at reletivistic but slightly lower than C. The particles have tremendous kinetic energy from the velocity they have been accelerated to. when they strike an object theoretically that kinetic energy is transferred to the object as heat, etc, with devastating results.

Maybe I'm thinking of electron beam vs laser beam?

Slightly slower than light speed.
 
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OK. True.
Though that phaser burst firing was probably inspired by Star Wars, too.

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probably more like "phew......phew" in Balance of Terror

Wasn't that a torpedo?

IMO much cooler sound effect,

also, I may just be being a knucklehead about this but, I still think this looks way cooler than the scene's we get outta disco or jj trek.

I agree.
 
Remarkably, "pew pew" was what Forbidden Planet tried to pass as awesome. It's surprising that "The Cage" and "Where No Man" did not follow that lead - perhaps it was cheaper to draw beams than pulses?

Timo Saloniemi
I forgot about that scene. The laser cannon's battling the id-monster in that movie must have been amazing for its time, and it still holds up well. today

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I'm guessing this is a comment on the difference in rate of fire. Are you aware that gif plays at about half speed?
 
constant beams can look good in a battle scene (video recorded from an Eve Online battle showing a mix of lasers missiles and projectiles)

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I'm guessing this is a comment on the difference in rate of fire. Are you aware that gif plays at about half speed?
That ones not mine. I can analyze the footage later and figure out rate of fire between these scenes
 
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