Manny Coto instead of Abrams

[MrPointy]

I liked what Coto attempted to do for ENT, but I dunno if it'd work for a feature film. He's a very good TV writer, but I dunno if he'd pull off a decent film script.

 

[Kira's Mom]

Coto was fine as a writer for Enterprise, but the franchise needs some new voices.

 

[intrinsical]

What Manny Coto did was take a few pieces of trek knowledge and weave them into an adventure story. While it did get the attention of many trek fans, his stories were not truly "Star Trek" stories that reflect our time nor our issues.

The verdict is still out on whether Abrams can craft a Star Trek story, but I'm sorry Manny Coto had many chances but he failed to produce a single episode that I would truly call Star Trek.

 

[Garth Rockett]

What you consider Star Trek is certainly your own prerogative, and I'll grant that many episodes from the Coto era did not reflect our times and our issues (and I could make the same case for many episodes of every series), but what about the Terra Prime / Demons two parter, as well as Home? You didn't think those episodes spoke to contemporary issues?

 

[Chindogu]

Coto was alright for Star Trek, but I think the only thing he really brought was more of an enthusiasim for the show. Something which Berman and Braga had lost by that point. As far as a writer and producer he doesn't seem to be anything special, as seen by the collapse of 24 since he's joined up with that series. But as we all know it takes more than one person to create a tv show and movie and I like the people who JJ chooses to work with.

Sure M:I:III wasn't brilliant but it was fun and more entertaining, for me anyway, than the other two (or the any of the Next Gen films). Both of which were directed by well established film makers. But as a director I think Felicity, Alias, and Lost have to be looked at when talking about Abrams. Especially Lost. If he can make Star Trek half as compelling as the Lost pilot I'll be very happy.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Exactly. Most of his stories were definitely written for the fans. Mirror universes, Tos era costumes and ships, genetically engineered supermen, Gorns and Tholians; The checklist went on.

So what? He brought a fresh and interesting perspective to the material while still maintaining a degree of "fan service" (which is not a dirty word). Season 4 of Enterprise was the best season of Trek since DS9 went off the air, and frankly one of the best post TOS seasons of Trek ever.

I would have loved to see what Coto and the Reeves-Stevenses could have done with Trek XI!

 

[TheCanon72]

Star Trek: Enterprise should have been about the Birth of the Federation.

Season 4, what does Coto do?

Rips off SCE's, and Hidden Frontier's stories of the return of TOS's Defiant.

Then adds a pale continuation of TOS's Mirror Mirror.

Also rips off Babylon 5's Shadows by adding spider legs to the Tholians.

Nope.

Give me Starfleet Year One's, FASA's, ADB's, and Babylon 5's takes.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Star Trek: Enterprise should have been about the Birth of the Federation.

Season 4, what does Coto do?

Rips off SCE's, and Hidden Frontier's stories of the return of TOS's Defiant.

Then adds a pale continuation of TOS's Mirror Mirror.

Also rips off Babylon 5's Shadows by adding spider legs to the Tholians.

Nope.

Give me Starfleet Year One's, FASA's, ADB's, and Babylon 5's takes.

Somehow I doubt half that stuff entered any of Coto's or the rest of the writers minds...

Sharr

 

[Good Will Riker]

^^^

Well, Manny Coto was under the impression that Rick Berman wanted a film about the Romulan Wars, so he had to hold-off on that...

 

[Nowhere Man]

I'm actually really happy that we are getting some new blood into this franchise.

If Coto had been brought in a season earlier, he might have had a chance of salvaging ENT.....but I'm still for giving J.J. a chance.

or if they would have gave him a 5th season, but what's done is done , maybe Coto will get the 6th series , if there is one. he definately knew what he was doing, except for TATV. i thought that was a lame way to end it

 

[Nowhere Man]

Star Trek: Enterprise should have been about the Birth of the Federation.

Season 4, what does Coto do?

Rips off SCE's, and Hidden Frontier's stories of the return of TOS's Defiant.

Then adds a pale continuation of TOS's Mirror Mirror.

Also rips off Babylon 5's Shadows by adding spider legs to the Tholians.

Nope.

Give me Starfleet Year One's, FASA's, ADB's, and Babylon 5's takes.

give me a break

 

[darkwing_duck1]

I'm actually really happy that we are getting some new blood into this franchise.

If Coto had been brought in a season earlier, he might have had a chance of salvaging ENT.....but I'm still for giving J.J. a chance.

or if they would have gave him a 5th season, but what's done is done , maybe Coto will get the 6th series , if there is one. he definately knew what he was doing, except for TATV. i thought that was a lame way to end it

The "Killer B's" wrote TATV, not Coto.

 

[Nowhere Man]

I'm actually really happy that we are getting some new blood into this franchise.

If Coto had been brought in a season earlier, he might have had a chance of salvaging ENT.....but I'm still for giving J.J. a chance.

or if they would have gave him a 5th season, but what's done is done , maybe Coto will get the 6th series , if there is one. he definately knew what he was doing, except for TATV. i thought that was a lame way to end it

The "Killer B's" wrote TATV, not Coto.

makes sense now

 

[darkshadow0001]

Enterprise was such a terrible show, I don't think it's fair to use it as the primary indicator of whether Coto has the chops to do a feature film (even one like the Star Treks, which are all basically glorified TV episodes). Still, his season was the best of that dismal little series. But while it seems anybody with the right connections (nepotism) can call themselves a director nowadays, I'd want someone with more experience. I'm not sure Abrams eclipses Coto much in that respect -- and I thought his MI:3 was pretty pedestrian and enjoyable only for watching it struggle to invoke the original show -- but he does have at least that one "blockbuster" effort on his resume.

I suppose your right. I didn't think Enterprise was all that bad. The only reason I indicated Coto was because he seemed to know a lot about the original show, that he could do a decent job with Trek XI. And I am not already dissing Abrams either, it was just a question. I'm still not in favor of a recast of Kirk & company, if they wanted to do a 23rd century movie, fine, but I think they should of used a new crew.

Or better yet, continue with stories of Captain Pike. Now that would of been interesting!

 

[SlyCardie]

Exactly. Most of his stories were definitely written for the fans. Mirror universes, Tos era costumes and ships, genetically engineered supermen, Gorns and Tholians; The checklist went on.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Any Star Trek production should fit into the universe that the series existed in.

Which is why I'm freaking out about this movie being a re-imagining. If it's something entirely different, package it differently and remove the Trek name.

 

[EyalM]

I enjoyed ENT's season 4 with Coto, but as others have said you needed to be a fan to get it. I'm glad we got all new people working on this film. Change, new ideas, and fresh blood is a good thing. It's necessary if Trek is to continue on screen in some form to bring in new viewers.

Exactly. Most of his stories were definitely written for the fans. Mirror universes, Tos era costumes and ships, genetically engineered supermen, Gorns and Tholians; The checklist went on.

Ironicly, the new movie seem to be full of fanish story elements too: The kobayashi maru test, Orion slave girls, Kirk's brother, Pike, tribbles and so on.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

It seems to me a relatively new phenomenon, one which I have noticed only here on the internet, that the fanboys themselves reject attempts by TPTB to cater to the fanboys.

I have tried to explain this to my somewhat less-obsessed fanboy friends, and they just don't get it.

It's no wonder that TPTB have a hard time deciding what approach to take when making new movies and television shows.

 

[Garth Rockett]

Good point, Sam, particularly in light of all the requests we've seen in this very forum for Shatner/ Archer / T'Pol / Gary Mitchell / Carol Marcus / Finnegan / et al to appear in the new film.

Which reminds me, if they really want to put some continuity porn / fanwank / in-joke / whatever it's being called today into this movie, they should have Eddie Paskey in the background on the bridge of the Enterprise.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Which is why I'm freaking out about this movie being a re-imagining. If it's something entirely different, package it differently and remove the Trek name.

Trek is whatever Paramount labels as such... more so when it shares things like "warp drive" "phasers" "Kirk" "Spock" "The Enterprise" - got one, or any combo of those things and you're more then justified in calling it "Star Trek". Just cause its a "new take" doesn't mean its entirely different at least every bit as much that the new BSG is fundamentally based on the premises of its source material or "The Whiz" is based on "The Wizard of OZ".

Sharr

 

[Skywalker]

Nah. I appreciate what Coto brought to ENT in seasons three and four, but I'm interested to see what Abrams and his team have to offer.