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Man, the special FX for Star Trek 2009 hold up perfectly 12 years later!

No, I don't think that is revisionist. Abrams was deried with 09 as well, especially when he dared to admit he didn't like Star Trek as a kid, which got immediately grabbed as him not being a fan and therefore unqualified as a director make Star Trek. :rolleyes:

Into Darkness suffered from a couple of different things, but the chief one was the repeated statements around a survey of fans deriding the film. With that one small sample it became a rallying cry that ID was "panned" by Star Trek fans, and Abrams sucked. And so it continued on. I think ID suffered more from the mystery box around Khan and the 4 year wait between 09 and ID's release. But, it was deried long before, and still unfairly so.
I have no doubt that it was derided at the time among a significant portion of fans (based on your statement just now); I just wasn't aware of it at the time as everyone else I knew who liked Star Trek to any degree also loved 2009.
 
'Dumb as a bag of dirt' and 'great filmmaking' are not antithetical. Quite a few Trek films, perhaps half of them, are the former, and only a few are the latter, no matter how much we love them.

I love Trek 2009 and revisit it all the time. I'll probably never watch STID again, as the 'great filmmaking' couldn't rise to the insane level needed to cover the 'bag of dirt', though it really is genuinely quite good in many respects. It's that I can accept the contrivances of Trek 2009 and it's a fun ride, excellently executed, whereas STID actively makes me stupiderer for having watched it.

But yes, there has always been a lot of hate for Trek 2009, not just retroactive from STID. STID made it impossible to not see the rickety scaffolding supporting the glossy facade, no matter how much we enjoy or appreciate that facade. Which is to say Trek 2009 was always good and not good in the ways we enjoyed or disliked it, but STID gave folks a broader perspective of it, and for some that diminished their view while others it clarified what they liked by contrast.
 
I have no doubt that it was derided at the time among a significant portion of fans (based on your statement just now); I just wasn't aware of it at the time as everyone else I knew who liked Star Trek to any degree also loved 2009.
Yeah, that was not my experience at all. A lot of my friends were adamantly opposed to it and Abrams was derided near constantly if the topic came up. Online was 100 times worse. I don't think ID was just a residual effect but it laid bare a significant amount of criticism, some that came from those who really liked 09 but saw the plot as thinner in ID. Also, the fun for me was the fact that a lot of people I knew who were either casual fans or had no interest in Trek became more interested and watched things like DS9 or TOS because of 09.

Personally, I think 09 still holds up, story, FX, characters and all. ST ID is one that has cool a bit for me over the years, but I still think it is extremely rick in terms of enjoyment. But, it wasted a lot of potential 09 started up to really push this part of the franchise forward.
 
The quality of the FX may hold up, but some of the stylistic choices don't.

I much prefer the matte look of Beyond comparted to the glossy look of ST09.
 
ST09 was flawless with it VFX, and I still think STID is one of the top 5 VFX movies ever made, they're amazing.

RAMA

The special FX for it were SO good when it came out that I think they were well ahead of their time. If you watch it today, it honestly looks like a movie that could've been made in 2021. Now, you might say that special FX haven't advanced much in the last 12 years, but you'd be surprised at how dated a number of movies look that came out back in the late 00's compared to movies today.

Paramount really outdid themselves! I know that Avatar won the Oscar for "Best Achievement in Visual Effects" that year, but to me, Star Trek 2009 looked much better than Avatar and I think Star Trek 2009 should've won the Oscar that year because Avatar already looks a bit dated to me.

As weird as this might sound, I think Star Trek 2009's special FX look far better than the ones in Into Darkness and Beyond. Make no mistake, Into Darkness and Beyond look great, but there's something about them that makes them look a tad bit cheaper than Star Trek 2009. I can't put my finger on it. Am I crazy for thinking this?
 
I was 22, it's WILD to look back at how long it's been since ST09. In 2009, twelve years ago was 1997, which felt even longer.

It was fresh to see Trek with a jovial energy that hadn't been seen in Trek for a very long time. I just wish the writing was above subpar.
 
I was 22, it's WILD to look back at how long it's been since ST09. In 2009, twelve years ago was 1997, which felt even longer.

It was fresh to see Trek with a jovial energy that hadn't been seen in Trek for a very long time. I just wish the writing was above subpar.
Also 12years - 1991-1979
 
I linked to the Lego video because it at least looked like a solid object hitting another solid object, unlike the shot in question. I mentioned the pyro because the pyro in the original shot was shit and had an obvious flaw. Both reinforce the point I was concurring with, the original shot was lousy and substandard compared to other work in the film.

Let me rephrase it in the form of a joke.

"The shot was bad."

"How bad was it?"

"It was so bad, some people screwing around with a toy and a high-speed camera for clicks addressed or avoided its two most obvious faults!"

Ha, ha, funny, we all laugh together at the absurd comment that holds a grain of truth.
If I am to evaluate the Lego shot in terms of how convincing a model it is of what a Super Star Destroyer crashing into a Death Star might look like, then I have to consider the premise that the most correct way to model the situation is as a ship assembled from Lego bricks being dropped onto a solid floor.

But, if our tools are Lego bricks, then that simply isn't the most correct way. The battle station itself has a composition similar to the spaceship. We know this, because we've seen the interiors of both.

Therefore, a more correct way would be to model the surface of the Death Star II as itself composed of Lego bricks. Not only should the Super Star Destroyer break apart, but as it smashes into the surface, it should make a visible crater. You would even expect to see waves propagate away from the impact, pieces of the surface snapping off and flying up, perhaps some even quite a distance from the impact, especially given that the surface of the station isn't completely uniform. But especially you'd expect to see a mess of bricks breaking loose from the surface in the immediate vicinity of the impact.

In short, just as the ship will break apart, the surface of the station would react, and at least a portion of it will break apart as well. There will be more than enough kinetic energy in the Lego ship to unsnap bricks on the surface.

That said, I've no doubt that how many bricks get dislodged from the surface wall of bricks would depend upon the pattern of how they are snapped together, what type of bricks they are, and so forth. But you aren't allowed to devise a brick arrangement that results in the least number dislodged. The objective is to lay bricks to model the surface similarly to the way the ship is modeled. We've seen the surface, and we know there is a great variety of non-uniformity there, including gaps.

We also might reasonably imagine that the engine of the spacecraft is much denser than the habitable parts, and therefore also than the station surface that the spacecraft is smashing into. For greater fidelity, that needs to be modeled as well, as it would contribute to the effect of the ship "driving into" the surface.
 
A bit off topic but ILM posted a Star Trek Day celebration article and among the images is this beautiful render from Into Darkness.

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There are people on Twitter I need to follow-up with about whether or not specific non-hero ships in that scene can be IDed by name and registry number...?

(Noting that 42 ships can be docked to that station...)
 
42?
Is that all you came up with?
I don't know that that's the maximum umber that can be docked, but it's completely clear how that number was arrived at.

42 = 6 * (8 - 1).

The 6 is for the six co-planar "docking clusters," each of which has 7 co-planar docking stations, because one of the 8 places equally spaced around the circle of the cluster is occupied by the arm connecting the docking cluster to the "main station."
 
The opening attack on the Kelvin was one of the most riveting space battles I've seen on the big screen, the best since The Wrath of Khan and Return of the Jedi. The effects play a big part of that, and the camera angles. You feel the danger and the immediacy of what's going on.
 


Sorry to reply for a post back in July but I have to agree. I love the 2009 vision of the Enterprise. She looks beautiful in every way. The only thing that kills this movie is the over use of lens flare. I find that a good visual cue in movies but they really did overdo it in this one. Take all that out of the movie and you would have had a masterpiece.
 
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