Make Pike a bad guy...

[srombomb]

Maybe this idea might seem unoriginal, by taking someones "mentor" and turning them into a baddy, but I think it could work and really up the stakes with the emotional aspect of the next film.

Maybe along with Pike doing negative things behind the scenes, it can tie into Starfleet getting involved in some pretty deep @#@! they have no business getting into.

Put it this way, I'd rather see THAT, then have some rehash of Khan in the next movie.

You don't even have to make Pike's character overtly bad, because you can give him some sincere motivations for whatever it is he is doing, only to backfire badly.

Just a thought..

 

[SalvorHardin]

No.

Pike should remain the good man he is, there's no need to drug him through the mud.

 

[Tom Servo]

No leave Pike as is, he is the man.

However, anyone got the feeling he is gonna die in the next film, either saving some ship or even the Enterprise?

 

[SalvorHardin]

However, anyone got the feeling he is gonna die in the next film, either saving some ship or even the Enterprise?

I can't say I've got that feeling.

 

[Tom Servo]

However, anyone got the feeling he is gonna die in the next film, either saving some ship or even the Enterprise?

I can't say I've got that feeling.

I don't know why I think that, but it seems to be a common plot line. Troubled youth meets man who inspires, youth becomes what he/she was supposed to be, inspiring person dies heroic death allowing the young person to truly be the greatest.

 

[shapeshifter]

*remembers Mister Phelps getting the same treatment in MI*

No.

 

[Yeoman Randi]

Um.....NO.
Pike is a hero. Let's keep him a hero.

 

[SalvorHardin]

However, anyone got the feeling he is gonna die in the next film, either saving some ship or even the Enterprise?

I can't say I've got that feeling.

I don't know why I think that, but it seems to be a common plot line. Troubled youth meets man who inspires, youth becomes what he/she was supposed to be, inspiring person dies heroic death allowing the young person to truly be the greatest.

This could have happened easily in the first movie at the hands of Nero if they wanted to do the common plot line you refer to.

But they didn't kill Pike, Kirk is now a captain and his troubled years are...years behind him.

So, I don't see it. But of course noone can be 100% sure about these things and what the writers will do.

 

[Odo's Bucket]

I don't get the feeling he'll die but I do get the feeling he'll beep beep beep.

 

[Kelso]

I had a similar thought. I'd love it if, in the new universe, Pike turned out to be a Klingon.

That'd really screw with the fanboys.

 

[JarodRussell]

Yeah, make Pike the bad guy. After being crippled and further evil stuff happening, he shows his second face. And let's have a triangle relationship between Kirk, Uhura and Spock. And then Khan shows up, plays games with them and kills Uhura. I'd also give Kirk some kind of much older mentor. A Boothby type of character, preferably played by Michael Caine.

 

[number6]

*remembers Mister Phelps getting the same treatment in MI*

No.

QFT.

It was a dumb idea then and it still is now.

 

[JarodRussell]

*remembers Mister Phelps getting the same treatment in MI*

No.

QFT.

It was a dumb idea then and it still is now.

Strangely enough, in an interview with JJ Abrams, he didn't exclude the possibility of Peter Graves appearing in MI:4

 

[Warp Rider]

Have Pike take command of a remade USS Faragut, (make it a Constitution class ), with his Number One and maybe Xon as his Science Officer. =3

 

[number6]

*remembers Mister Phelps getting the same treatment in MI*

No.

QFT.

It was a dumb idea then and it still is now.

Strangely enough, in an interview with JJ Abrams, he didn't exclude the possibility of Peter Graves appearing in MI:4

As who though? They already had Jon Voight play him in the first film. (And yes I KNOW Graves plyed him in the series.)

They should talk to Steven Hill, if he's still among the living!!

 

[M'Sharak]

Maybe this idea might seem unoriginal, by taking someones "mentor" and turning them into a baddy, but I think it could work and really up the stakes with the emotional aspect of the next film.

Maybe along with Pike doing negative things behind the scenes, it can tie into Starfleet getting involved in some pretty deep @#@! they have no business getting into.

Put it this way, I'd rather see THAT, then have some rehash of Khan in the next movie.

You don't even have to make Pike's character overtly bad, because you can give him some sincere motivations for whatever it is he is doing, only to backfire badly.

Just a thought..

It's been proposed more than once, just here in this forum, but I don't think there was ever a great deal of support for the idea.

*remembers Mister Phelps getting the same treatment in MI*

No.

That was an obvious parallel which came to mind, and I didn't care for it much then.

Edit:

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Strangely enough, in an interview with JJ Abrams, he didn't exclude the possibility of Peter Graves appearing in MI:4

But Graves' name did come up in the interview? Interesting. Checking his IMDb listing, I find that Graves has still been doing a little acting in the last few years, but he's slowed down a lot and he'd be in his mid-eighties by the time filming on M:I:IV starts.

 

[Cyke101]

Hell, if we wanted to go grim n' gritty about it, I was thinking of Training Day.

Which we sorta had anyway: The Wounded and Paradise Lost. Two good episodes, but already enough of a cliche, I think.

 

[Photoman15]

QFT.

It was a dumb idea then and it still is now.

Strangely enough, in an interview with JJ Abrams, he didn't exclude the possibility of Peter Graves appearing in MI:4

As who though? They already had Jon Voight play him in the first film. (And yes I KNOW Graves plyed him in the series.)

They should talk to Steven Hill, if he's still among the living!!

He's retired now. He was on Law & Order (Original) since the beginning until a few years ago. He was the old DA, Adam Schiff.

And maybe they can just forget/ignore the abomination called Mission: Impossible (the 1st movie). Greg Morris (the original Barney) walked out of the theater after an hour disgusted.

 

[barnaclelapse]

It's not a terrible idea, but it strikes me as an unnecessary one. I say keep him as a good guy. I like him more like that.

 

[SilentP]

It's not a terrible idea, but it strikes me as an unnecessary one. I say keep him as a good guy. I like him more like that.

I concur.