Mac OS X Leopard

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I see. So you can activate a Boot Camp version of XP just like any other version? Can you do it online?

I would hope that you wouldn't have to call up Microsoft and try to explain to them what Boot Camp is and all that.

 

[Lindley]

They know what it is.

 

[Marc]

Babaganoosh said:
I have a question about Boot Camp.

I did some checking at Best Buy, and the most basic versions of Windows XP and Vista appear to cost the same (roughly $200). Has anyone here used them with Boot Camp, and if so, which one should I get? I know Boot Camp supports both XP and Vista, I'm just not sure which would be the best one.

Are those prices for the Pro or home versions? If down the track you're going to use a virtualisation program such as Parallels or VMware's Fusion, Vista Home (either basic or premium) will not play ball (in fact it's licencing conditions prohibit running in a virtual environment).

It also has to be a full version - you can't use an upgrade version as it will either want to check for an a version to upgrade from or a media check - neither of which you can do when installing via Bootcamp.

 

[Flavius]

I bought the family license and just finished installing it on all our MAC's, the oldest one being a G4 mini close to the minimum hardware requirements. It's not slower than Tiger on that one, but on the G5's and the Intel it's a lot snappier and surprisingly fast with things like quicklook. Just watch the finder. It's looks like they switched paradigms.

I still have three win-tel boxes in the house, but by the end of next year I'll expect that to be resolved. Leopard does have some (minor) issues: The approach to networking in heterogeneous networks is new..

I have actually been able to lock my Intel Mac by using VNC in one instance.

There will be a few more 'little' things, I guess.

I'm a software engineer leading half a dozen large projects every year. This one was well done, I think.

Note: That's just some engineering point of view.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Marc said:

Babaganoosh said:
I have a question about Boot Camp.

I did some checking at Best Buy, and the most basic versions of Windows XP and Vista appear to cost the same (roughly $200). Has anyone here used them with Boot Camp, and if so, which one should I get? I know Boot Camp supports both XP and Vista, I'm just not sure which would be the best one.

Are those prices for the Pro or home versions? If down the track you're going to use a virtualisation program such as Parallels or VMware's Fusion, Vista Home (either basic or premium) will not play ball (in fact it's licencing conditions prohibit running in a virtual environment).

It also has to be a full version - you can't use an upgrade version as it will either want to check for an a version to upgrade from or a media check - neither of which you can do when installing via Bootcamp.

Those prices I looked at were for full versions, not upgrades.

And I have no interest in Parallels or VMWare.

 

[The Doctor]

Be aware that Microsoft considers Bootcamp to be 'virtualization' and therefore prohibits all 'Home' editions from being used on an Apple machine.

 

[Flavius]

You mean it won't run? Or what? Because it does work just fine.

 

[The Doctor]

Cartmere said:
You mean it won't run? Or what? Because it does work just fine.

It runs just fine, you're just in volation of the EULA and will not recieve any MS support should you phone and request it.

Such things really don't bother me, but the legalities do bear at least a mention in these discussions.

 

[Flavius]

Isn't that the company that states by opening the package you accept the EULA that is inside the package?

They are really smart!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Stig said:
Be aware that Microsoft considers Bootcamp to be 'virtualization' and therefore prohibits all 'Home' editions from being used on an Apple machine.

Are you sure you don't mean Parallels? Parallels is VM; Bootcamp isn't. Even Microsoft can't be that dumb.

Lindley just said that Microsoft knows what Bootcamp is. I assume this means that if you have to activate it by phone (which might happen, I don't know), they will do it.

I assume, though, that most activation is done over the internet? (even for Bootcamp)

 

[Lindley]

First of all, never underestimate Microsoft's capacity to be dumb.

Second, I just said Microsoft knows what Boot Camp is. I doubt there's anyone in the IT community who doesn't. I never said anything about what degree of support for it they'll be willing to provide.

 

[Captain Intrepid]

This is one reason why I like Leopard. Dashboard and easily made widgets! 15 seconds and I have one that shows me the top MISC threads!

 

[Flavius]

That's your top feature? Really. Really?

 

[Captain Intrepid]

Nah, but it's still cool.

 

[Marc]

Lindley said:
First of all, never underestimate Microsoft's capacity to be dumb.

Second, I just said Microsoft knows what Boot Camp is. I doubt there's anyone in the IT community who doesn't. I never said anything about what degree of support for it they'll be willing to provide.

I don't think that you can under estimate Apple's ability to be just as dumb.

Somebody has come up with a way of making OS X Leopard run on a PC i.e non-Apple hardware and well generally Apple has never taken too kindly to this (Apple's ton-of-bricks-on-hacker heads is rather ironic given the companies origins).

However I can see their point of view on locking hacked iPhones - they signed an agreement with AT&T for exclusive access and Apple didn't stop people from altering the phone to allow it to be used with other carriers, AT&T could well sue.

 

[David cgc]

Marc said:
I don't think that you can under estimate Apple's ability to be just as dumb.

Somebody has come up with a way of making OS X Leopard run on a PC i.e non-Apple hardware and well generally Apple has never taken too kindly to this (Apple's ton-of-bricks-on-hacker heads is rather ironic given the companies origins).

That's not dumb. Apple is, as far as the money is concerned, a hardware company. They're competing with Dell and HP, not Microsoft. If Apple let OS X run on other hardware, bye-bye business model.

 

[arch101]

Switched to a MacBook Pro in August after 15 yrs with pcs and I'll never look back. The Mac is truly a superior machine and well worth the $$ (especially with a student discount - go take a nite course). As for office suites, go with OpenOffice. I used it for 2 yrs on my old PC and am continuing with it on the Mac. Makes you wonder why Microsoft doesn't just give MSoffice away on new PCs. I can't see any advantage to using MSoffice. OpenOffice and Gimp are pretty much all you need to get things done (and they're free)

 

[Flavius]

While OpenOffice is good, I like Pages better. IIRC, the family license (five installations) is just $99.

 

[Chess Piece Face]

When I installed XP on my Macbook I didn't have to verify anything over the phone. It worked just fine.

 

[Harvey]

Thanks to the generosity of a tech guy at work, I'm now running Leopard on my laptop. It only took six hours to install and then troubleshoot when my desktop didn't show up and finder wouldn't load (THAT was fun. Not.)

--The dashboard just looks ugly now--the previous version was simpler, and easier on the eyes, IMHO, of course.

--I don't have my external hard drive, but Time Machine looks like it's pretty snazzy

--Runs at about the same speed as Tiger by all my estimations (Powerbook 1.67 GHz)

--No classic support, which upsets me to no end, since my laptop DOESN'T have the Intel chips, and now a bunch of classic games won't work

--Safari has tabs preset now, which I like, and the DVD Player is slicker. iChat has a bunch of new features that I immediately disabled.

All in all, Tiger is just fine. Leopard, though shiny, isn't worth it in my opinion, unless you really want to be able to boot up in Windows or think you'll use Time Machine.


EDIT: Do I have ANY reason to keep OS9 files around, or are they just a lost cause at this point? A shame, since I never got a chance to really play Star Trek: 25th Anniversary.