Lucasfilm announces a new direction for the Star Wars EU

[Awesome Possum]

Disney just wants to make it corporate friendly, and almost certainly watered down for the fans who don't regularly read anyway. My favorite SW writers would be no match for Disney. They worked when they weren't put on a leash by interfering, incompetent corporate minions. No good writer can work in the environment Disney is setting up. I don't begrudge good authors writing for Disney Wars (its their job to write) but its all guaranteed to be horrible. It literally doesn't matter who is writing what, the whole universe is broken by the very concept of rebooting it to go with JJ/Disney Wars movies.

Why hasn't that happened with Marvel? Captain America: Winter Soldier involves Cap going against SHIELD who were set up as the good guys since Iron Man and has radically changed the Marvel Cinematic Universe and as a movie was extremely critical of America's current policies regarding war. You'd think a corporate run movie would just have Cap fight a badguy, roll credits and expect millions in the bank. They're also releasing Guardians of the Galaxy which is obscure to comic fans and involves a talking raccoon and his friend who is a tree. It more than any other Marvel film has the highest chance of bombing and its the last film before Avengers 2.

I really don't you have any idea of how Disney runs as an organization because at least with Marvel they seem to actually listen to both the fans and mass audiences, so the movies appeal to both. Lucasfilm has already announced that they are going to film using actual sets and animatronics instead of relying on greenscreen and CG characters due to it being one of the biggest complaints about the prequels, other than the lack of a plot, horrific dialogue and desire to feel as much of the screen with pointless CG crap to the point where you're so distracted you don't care anymore.

So give it a chance, you've decided it sucks before the trailer came out because you hate Abrams and Disney for some reason. Do you honestly think that Lucas would make a better movie?

 

[Awesome Possum]

I for one wouldn't mind seeing Mark go with the "aging Obi-Wan mentor role" look, complete with appropriate brown or tan robes. It would help give Luke more gravitas and authority over new, much younger Jedi trainees, and as we know from the OT Luke was anything but physically imposing and dripping with the aura of seniority.

I've always liked this costume for an older Luke.

The traditional Jedi robes, but with his collar from his black costume from ROTJ. Maybe make the tan a darker color to take it away from the standard look and closer to his father and how he normally dressed.

 

[Eliczo]

You're making assumptions.

Which is precisely what you're doing because Disney now owns the show and a director you can't stand was picked to run one chapter of it. You've been doing it all along based on a handful of other movies you didn't like. That's your prerogative, of course, but it's still a list of assumptions.



Wrong.

You don't know that, not even remotely. You've thrown the baby out with the (allegedly filthy) bath water before you even took a close look. If it sucks and is a major disappointment for the fanbase, isn't it wiser to wait until the movie is, you know, released so you can watch it and know for sure?

"Who stops paying attention to a franchise because corporate idiots now run it?" Who judges a film and the entire future of a franchise almost two whole years before that film even premieres and before the new chapter of the franchise can even get off the ground? We're just on Chapter 1 of the new story and you already know how the huge, multi-volume narrative ends because you don't like the author and are skeptical of the publishing company.

No one will ever match what the EU did. The characters I enjoy will never be replaced, and no new ones will even approach them. Having a complete hack writing/directing the movies is just another nail in the coffin for the SW franchise. They are literally throwing out the majority of why I'm a SW fan. Like I've said, the 3 good movies are nice, but they didn't make me a big SW fan, the EU did. I'd prefer no new movies and the old EU intact and continuing. I've never wanted more movies set after ROTJ anyway, because they'd only cause problems for the best thing to come from Lucas' universe.

So, I'm not wrong, at least when it comes to myself. They have literally just announced that everything I like about Star Wars is gone. The franchise is completely dead. I have no desire to see a corporate reboot of a once great franchise, if I wanted something new I'd read something not called "Star Wars". Star Wars is gone, Disney/JJ Wars is coming. Enjoy it if you like, I have to deal with the fact that the Star Wars name is going to be attached to complete crap from now on, in every form of media. I'll read/watch where it doesn't cost me anything, but just to see how badly the corpse of Star Wars is getting dragged through the mud.



Because even the best writers can't turn poo into gold. Its a corporate universe based now, and its strictly limited by whatever the Abrams movies and the corporate minions want. Lucas generally didn't get involved in the EU. Sure, sometimes he and people close to him stupidly contradicted it, and did one or two stupid things to it on purpose, but generally it was left to do as it wanted as long as it didn't screw with specific things the tV shows/movies were involved with.

Disney just wants to make it corporate friendly, and almost certainly watered down for the fans who don't regularly read anyway. My favorite SW writers would be no match for Disney. They worked when they weren't put on a leash by interfering, incompetent corporate minions. No good writer can work in the environment Disney is setting up. I don't begrudge good authors writing for Disney Wars (its their job to write) but its all guaranteed to be horrible. It literally doesn't matter who is writing what, the whole universe is broken by the very concept of rebooting it to go with JJ/Disney Wars movies.

Abrams pile of s$%t TV show doesn't even deserve the space in my brain that is used to know that it exists. I've never seen it

Really?

Seriously, is it JUST me that finds that statement confusing?

What's confusing? Everything Abrams done is crap, and I feel like space in my brain is being wasted by me even knowing that he made a show called Alias. I don't need to see it to hold that opinion, because its something made by JJ Abrams. Plus, Orci & Kurtzman (who I honestly hate more than Abrams) worked on it too apparently, so that means its probably JJ Trek levels of horrible.

Your still stating your opinion as fact. And your calling it a reboot when it isn't and you know it isn't. As well as ignoring the fact the basic plot line came from Lucas with Kasden and Abrams polishing a draft by Michael Ardt. (I believe anyway)

Out of curosity have you liked the recent Marvel films? Cause it seems like to me and others here that while Disney bought the company recently the films that been at least okay if not almost good but not a disaster as you seem to think happens if Disney touches any film.

Plus finally the whole thing about deciding you don't like it before you try it, fair enough we all disagree with you there and its not worth arguing about it, but you come across somewhat negativity.

 

[AgentCoop]

Bomb?

Yup, it's had an explosive effect across the internet!

I can only imagine the clusterfuck that the Jedi Council Forums at TheForce.net have become since the announcement was made...

As a veteran of the JCF, I would say that it is likely worse than ever. Before giving up on the place I once described it as the inmates taking over the asylum.

I for one wouldn't mind seeing Mark go with the "aging Obi-Wan mentor role" look, complete with appropriate brown or tan robes. It would help give Luke more gravitas and authority over new, much younger Jedi trainees, and as we know from the OT Luke was anything but physically imposing and dripping with the aura of seniority.

You just described exactly the role I hope to see Luke taking up. Between my own hopes and expectations and where Mark seems to be as an actor these days, I think nothing would make me happier than to see him in the "Obi-Wan" role.

 

[kirk55555]

What's confusing? Everything Abrams done is crap, and I feel like space in my brain is being wasted by me even knowing that he made a show called Alias. I don't need to see it to hold that opinion, because its something made by JJ Abrams. Plus, Orci & Kurtzman (who I honestly hate more than Abrams) worked on it too apparently, so that means its probably JJ Trek levels of horrible.

LOL, this is almost verbatim what you said about Christopher Nolan's work. Remind us again what you thought of Memento when you finally broke down and saw it?

I thought it was a really good movie. Its style of storytelling was different and interesting, and it surprised me. I also really liked Nolan's Inception. But, Nolan's problem with his DC Comics movies that I hate are completely different than the problems with JJ Abrams work. I wouldn't call Nolan a mindless action movie director/writer. His movies were slow, boring, and didn't "get" most of the main characters. But they at least had more developed characters than the JJ Trek characters, and none of its main problems were the movies feeling like they were written for the 14 year old transformers fan.

There was at least something that Nolan's style could work with, he just had no ability to write for superheroes. If Nolan was directing/writing another superhero movie, I'd be hating it as much as his others. Abrams style is Michael Bay-lite. It was a horrible fit for Star Trek, and its something I just hate. I don't need a "deep" movie or TV show, but it has to give me something besides boring cliches, horrible characters and explosions. I haven't seen abrams do it. In his two JJ Trek movies, he had horribly written, irritating characters and only enough plot to get to the next explosion. It also had absolutely nothing that made Star Trek feel like Star Trek. His Star Wars will be the same, just a shell of a movie that just uses story and characters to transition to the next action set piece for a few hours.

 

[Awesome Possum]

His Star Wars will be the same, just a shell of a movie that just uses story and characters to transition to the next action set piece for a few hours.

So exactly like the prequels then? It was also what the original trilogy did as well, with the exception of The Empire Strikes Back. The only difference is that the original trilogy was fun adventure stories with little character moments and the prequels were special effects with scenes of people reading dialogue poorly. As long as Abrams makes the movie fun and exciting, he'll be doing a great job and a major improvement over 50% of the current franchise.

 

[kirk55555]

Well, he's never done fun or exciting before, so I doubt he'll start now. The SW movies had likeable characters and exciting adventures. JJ does horrible characters, and doesn't care about adventures or having interesting moments. Its tedious action with breaks inserted only because if he didn't it wouldn't be a movie anymore, it would just be a bunch of action shots randomly put together.

Disney just wants to make it corporate friendly, and almost certainly watered down for the fans who don't regularly read anyway. My favorite SW writers would be no match for Disney. They worked when they weren't put on a leash by interfering, incompetent corporate minions. No good writer can work in the environment Disney is setting up. I don't begrudge good authors writing for Disney Wars (its their job to write) but its all guaranteed to be horrible. It literally doesn't matter who is writing what, the whole universe is broken by the very concept of rebooting it to go with JJ/Disney Wars movies.

Why hasn't that happened with Marvel? Captain America: Winter Soldier involves Cap going against SHIELD who were set up as the good guys since Iron Man and has radically changed the Marvel Cinematic Universe and as a movie was extremely critical of America's current policies regarding war. You'd think a corporate run movie would just have Cap fight a badguy, roll credits and expect millions in the bank. They're also releasing Guardians of the Galaxy which is obscure to comic fans and involves a talking raccoon and his friend who is a tree. It more than any other Marvel film has the highest chance of bombing and its the last film before Avengers 2.

I really don't you have any idea of how Disney runs as an organization because at least with Marvel they seem to actually listen to both the fans and mass audiences, so the movies appeal to both. Lucasfilm has already announced that they are going to film using actual sets and animatronics instead of relying on greenscreen and CG characters due to it being one of the biggest complaints about the prequels, other than the lack of a plot, horrific dialogue and desire to feel as much of the screen with pointless CG crap to the point where you're so distracted you don't care anymore.

So give it a chance, you've decided it sucks before the trailer came out because you hate Abrams and Disney for some reason. Do you honestly think that Lucas would make a better movie?

Ok, a lot of people are missing the point of my EU/movie argument by bringing up Marvel movies. Marvel movies draw from the comics, and not only have they not caused a comic reboot, they're basically guaranteed not to. Marvel keeps both seperate, and draws from the strength of the source material. JJ Wars is throwing some of the best source material aside, not letting anyone add to it ever again, and is imposing crap in its place. The JJ Movies were always going to be crap, but the EU could have at least let me keep Star Wars. Marvel isn't removing my ability to read new comics featuring the comic versions of the characters by making them fit the movie versions.

Also, with the movies, Marvel has Joss Whedon, and a bunch of great writers/directors/producers/actors working on everything. Basically, a lot of people Abrams isn't fit to lick the boots of. So, Star Wars is having the best parts of it removed, and giving the movies a lobotomy to appeal to the Transformers fans. Marvel left the comics alone, took inspiration from them, and are generally great. Its completely different situations.

 

[cooleddie74]

^
Again: you're assuming on a grand, almost cosmic scale.

What's your opinion of Lawrence Kasdan's involvement in the new films? Is he just an aging guy from a bygone era who's being used and manipulated by Disney and Abrams to give Episode VII a gloss and class it somehow wouldn't otherwise have?

Episode VII has some talented people on its crew, too - if you'd just get past your foregone conclusions and preconceived notions and take something approaching an objective look. Kasdan had no involvement with any of the Lucas-helmed Prequels - part of the so-called "proper, real Star Wars" you prefer - yet all of a sudden enthusiastically returns to the Saga and is given one of the most prominent creative roles. Explain that?

 

[Awesome Possum]

Well, he's never done fun or exciting before, so I doubt he'll start now. The SW movies had likeable characters and exciting adventures. JJ does horrible characters, and doesn't care about adventures or having interesting moments. Its tedious action with breaks inserted only because if he didn't it wouldn't be a movie anymore, it would just be a bunch of action shots randomly put together.

Once again, did you even see the prequels? Because you keep describing them in perfect detail.

Disney just wants to make it corporate friendly, and almost certainly watered down for the fans who don't regularly read anyway. My favorite SW writers would be no match for Disney. They worked when they weren't put on a leash by interfering, incompetent corporate minions. No good writer can work in the environment Disney is setting up. I don't begrudge good authors writing for Disney Wars (its their job to write) but its all guaranteed to be horrible. It literally doesn't matter who is writing what, the whole universe is broken by the very concept of rebooting it to go with JJ/Disney Wars movies.

Why hasn't that happened with Marvel? Captain America: Winter Soldier involves Cap going against SHIELD who were set up as the good guys since Iron Man and has radically changed the Marvel Cinematic Universe and as a movie was extremely critical of America's current policies regarding war. You'd think a corporate run movie would just have Cap fight a badguy, roll credits and expect millions in the bank. They're also releasing Guardians of the Galaxy which is obscure to comic fans and involves a talking raccoon and his friend who is a tree. It more than any other Marvel film has the highest chance of bombing and its the last film before Avengers 2.

I really don't you have any idea of how Disney runs as an organization because at least with Marvel they seem to actually listen to both the fans and mass audiences, so the movies appeal to both. Lucasfilm has already announced that they are going to film using actual sets and animatronics instead of relying on greenscreen and CG characters due to it being one of the biggest complaints about the prequels, other than the lack of a plot, horrific dialogue and desire to feel as much of the screen with pointless CG crap to the point where you're so distracted you don't care anymore.

So give it a chance, you've decided it sucks before the trailer came out because you hate Abrams and Disney for some reason. Do you honestly think that Lucas would make a better movie?

Ok, a lot of people are missing the point of my EU/movie argument by bringing up Marvel movies. Marvel movies draw from the comics, and not only have they not caused a comic reboot, they're basically guaranteed not to. Marvel keeps both seperate, and draws from the strength of the source material. JJ Wars is throwing some of the best source material aside, not letting anyone add to it ever again, and is imposing crap in its place. The JJ Movies were always going to be crap, but the EU could have at least let me keep Star Wars. Marvel isn't removing my ability to read new comics featuring the comic versions of the characters by making them fit the movie versions.

Also, with the movies, Marvel has Joss Whedon, and a bunch of great writers/directors/producers/actors working on everything. Basically, a lot of people Abrams isn't fit to lick the boots of. So, Star Wars is having the best parts of it removed, and giving the movies a lobotomy to appeal to the Transformers fans. Marvel left the comics alone, took inspiration from them, and are generally great. Its completely different situations.

We don't know what the plot is yet. We even know what characters are being used. I'm not sure how you can make that call based on absolutely no outside information other than your own biased views on Abrams. They have the writer of the best Star Wars film on board and Abrams knows how to direct action scenes that are exciting and his films have a great pace. You may not like him, but he's a decent director. You certainly aren't bored to death by his direction, which is a major improvement over Episodes 1-3.

The Marvel movies have influenced the comics. They have introduced Nick Fury Jr who is based on the movies universe version of the character. He is joined by his friend Phil Coulson.

Also it isn't a reboot, its a continuation of the original trilogy. A reboot would mean they scrapped the entire franchise and start from scratch. Making a sequel with the original cast that tells a new story set after previous events is not a reboot, it doesn't matter how much you repeat it. By the same train of logic, Empire Strikes Back is a reboot from the first Star Wars film.

 

[cooleddie74]

A lot of people use the word "reboot" and don't seem to have a real understanding of what the term means. Casino Royale was a reboot. Batman Begins was a reboot. Episode VII is just what the Roman numerals entail: the seventh film in the Saga, following and expanding upon the events of the previous six episodes dating back to the 1970s. No magic reset button or recasting the main characters.

A new studio and a different director don't mean a new big screen continuity.

 

[sojourner]

Well, he's never done fun or exciting before, so I doubt he'll start now. The SW movies had likeable characters and exciting adventures. JJ does horrible characters, and doesn't care about adventures or having interesting moments. Its tedious action with breaks inserted only because if he didn't it wouldn't be a movie anymore, it would just be a bunch of action shots randomly put together.

Spoken like someone who has never watched Lost.

In fact, Sawyer from Lost is Han Solo.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Lost was nothing but characters. In fact the people who complain about the ending don't seem to get that. The series was far more concerned with the characters than the mystery aspect of the series.

 

[sojourner]

And, debates about the finale aside, it was one of the most engaging shows ever.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Fringe was similar, focus on the characters is one of the strengths of any show or movie that Abrams is involved with. If you fail to just fall in love with Walter and the other characters the show doesn't work.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I lost interest in Lost early on. Right after the Hobbit found his guitar.

 

[BillJ]

No one will ever match what the EU did. The characters I enjoy will never be replaced, and no new ones will even approach them. Having a complete hack writing/directing the movies is just another nail in the coffin for the SW franchise.

You're so young to have such an absolutist vision of life, the universe and everything. You find the oddest things to have an absolute attachment to. You might find you enjoy life more if you dial it back a few notches.

I'll go see Star Wars: Episode VII with the wife. If its great, we'll sit watching mesmerized. If its terrible we sit and giggle, laugh and make fun of it. Either way, it will be a great time.

 

[kirk55555]

Well, he's never done fun or exciting before, so I doubt he'll start now. The SW movies had likeable characters and exciting adventures. JJ does horrible characters, and doesn't care about adventures or having interesting moments. Its tedious action with breaks inserted only because if he didn't it wouldn't be a movie anymore, it would just be a bunch of action shots randomly put together.

Once again, did you even see the prequels? Because you keep describing them in perfect detail.

The Prequels sucked, but there is no way that JJ Wars will be any better. In fact, I don't doubt that, by the time JJ Wars Episode 7 comes out, the prequels will look good by comparison.

We don't know what the plot is yet. We even know what characters are being used. I'm not sure how you can make that call based on absolutely no outside information other than your own biased views on Abrams. They have the writer of the best Star Wars film on board and Abrams knows how to direct action scenes that are exciting and his films have a great pace. You may not like him, but he's a decent director. You certainly aren't bored to death by his direction, which is a major improvement over Episodes 1-3.

The Marvel movies have influenced the comics. They have introduced Nick Fury Jr who is based on the movies universe version of the character. He is joined by his friend Phil Coulson.

Also it isn't a reboot, its a continuation of the original trilogy. A reboot would mean they scrapped the entire franchise and start from scratch. Making a sequel with the original cast that tells a new story set after previous events is not a reboot, it doesn't matter how much you repeat it. By the same train of logic, Empire Strikes Back is a reboot from the first Star Wars film.

When I say reboot, I'm talking about the reboot of the EU. Obviously the new movies are continuing from where Episode VI ended. As for the Marvel stuff, yeah, the movies have influenced the comics. But, they haven't rebooted them, or caused drastic changes to the universe. Nick Fury Jr is the son of the white Nick Fury (who lead the Howling Commandos) and is not the head of SHIELD, Tony Stark's Dad never worked with Captain America, Black Widow is over 70-80 years old and spied during the prime years of the cold war, Hydra never did a big infiltration of SHIELD, and hundreds of other differences between the universes continue to exist.

Well, he's never done fun or exciting before, so I doubt he'll start now. The SW movies had likeable characters and exciting adventures. JJ does horrible characters, and doesn't care about adventures or having interesting moments. Its tedious action with breaks inserted only because if he didn't it wouldn't be a movie anymore, it would just be a bunch of action shots randomly put together.

Spoken like someone who has never watched Lost.

In fact, Sawyer from Lost is Han Solo.

Oh, so along with mindless action Star Wars might have a lot of stupid plot twists and unexplained mysteries, a bunch of flashbacks/flashforwards, and Luke fighting a smoke monster? That just makes it so much better

I actually did watch the first season of Lost on DVD (before I realized just how bad JJ Abrams is at doing anything besides making money with crap movies). It wasn't bad, I even liked a few of the characters, but I didn't continue. I knew of the show's reputation, and the fact that the first season ended pretty badly didn't make me want to continue. My Dad kept watching it, and his descriptions of some of what he saw made me glad I dodged that bullet. The first season was an ok show about people lost on an island with a few interesting mysteries. It apparently, and very rapidly after season 1, went off the rails. If Star Wars does that, I guess it might be a slightly interesting train wreck. If nothing else, I prefer seeing outright crazy bad to boring, predictable bad.

Fringe was similar, focus on the characters is one of the strengths of any show or movie that Abrams is involved with. If you fail to just fall in love with Walter and the other characters the show doesn't work.

Really? His characters are his strengths? I saw both JJ Trek movies, and calling Kirk, Spock, or Uhura "strong" characters would be the stupidest thing i've ever heard. The average 80s action movie had stronger characters than those three. All JJ Trek had for good characters were Karl Urban as McCoy and Simon Pegg as Scotty, so of course McCoy got about 10 lines in two movies and Scotty is barely a recurring character. I won't argue that, from what I saw, the Lost characters (in season 1 at least) were stronger than the JJ Trek main cast, but with a whole tV season instead of a 2 hour movie I'd hope even Abrams would have to put in some character development.

 

[DWF]

JJ Abrams left Lost not long after the pilot, but he did have a number of hits and misses over the years. And for all the complaints about his version of Star Trek but he really bring new life to Star Trek, it's possible that he can do the same for live action Star Wars. When Ep. VII comes out it'll have been ten years since Ep. III and I'm looking forward to whatever comes.

 

[Awesome Possum]

The Prequels sucked, but there is no way that JJ Wars will be any better. In fact, I don't doubt that, by the time JJ Wars Episode 7 comes out, the prequels will look good by comparison.

That isn't physically possible. The only way it could be worse will be if you walk in and the door lock, then Stormtroopers hold you down while Abrams removes his clothes and grabs a whip.

When I say reboot, I'm talking about the reboot of the EU. Obviously the new movies are continuing from where Episode VI ended.

I don't think you know what reboot means, you should stop until you do. The word you're looking for is recon. A similar thing happened with the prequels, especially regarding some widely accepted ideas about the Clone Wars. Lucas made it clear back then that the movies were the final say regarding canon, the EU was then adapted to work around it. Even then there are certain details from the EU that do contradict events depicted in the movies. Mainly when dealing with the Clone Wars and what certain characters were doing.

Oh, so along with mindless action Star Wars might have a lot of stupid plot twists and unexplained mysteries, a bunch of flashbacks/flashforwards, and Luke fighting a smoke monster? That just makes it so much better

Kirk fighting the smoke monster was my favorite scene in Star Trek, I also loved the bit where Spock figures out the secrets of the numbers.

I actually did watch the first season of Lost on DVD (before I realized just how bad JJ Abrams is at doing anything besides making money with crap movies). It wasn't bad, I even liked a few of the characters, but I didn't continue. I knew of the show's reputation, and the fact that the first season ended pretty badly didn't make me want to continue. My Dad kept watching it, and his descriptions of some of what he saw made me glad I dodged that bullet. The first season was an ok show about people lost on an island with a few interesting mysteries. It apparently, and very rapidly after season 1, went off the rails. If Star Wars does that, I guess it might be a slightly interesting train wreck. If nothing else, I prefer seeing outright crazy bad to boring, predictable bad.

Given that you can't tell the difference between shows and movies, you probably shouldn't watch it. It helps that you understand basic details and might confuse some people.

Fringe was similar, focus on the characters is one of the strengths of any show or movie that Abrams is involved with. If you fail to just fall in love with Walter and the other characters the show doesn't work.

Really? His characters are his strengths? I saw both JJ Trek movies, and calling Kirk, Spock, or Uhura "strong" characters would be the stupidest thing i've ever heard. The average 80s action movie had stronger characters than those three. All JJ Trek had for good characters were Karl Urban as McCoy and Simon Pegg as Scotty, so of course McCoy got about 10 lines in two movies and Scotty is barely a recurring character. I won't argue that, from what I saw, the Lost characters (in season 1 at least) were stronger than the JJ Trek main cast, but with a whole tV season instead of a 2 hour movie I'd hope even Abrams would have to put in some character development.

Uhura is stronger in the Abrams films than she ever was on TOS or the movies. She at least gets to do something other than sit around. Kirk gets more development than he did on TOS, because at least there is actual development and an arc. It doesn't really compare to Kirk in the movies, but a lot of that is dependent on his age. Which made Kirk an interesting character. Spock is roughly the same. If anything Nimoy gave a better performance at least based on TOS, because there was some subtly to his emotions which I really liked. NuSpock's emotions are a little more obvious. But that might be a combination of the actor's thoughts on the performance as well as the differences between development in a movie instead of a show.

 

[cooleddie74]

Wait....there's no way that Episode VII will be a superior film to Attack of the Clones?

Did you even SEE Attack of the Clones? I'm one of the biggest and most loyal SW geeks I've ever known and even I've had to fast forward through parts of Episode II. Abrams could direct Harrison Ford coyly blowing kisses at Carrie Fisher and then playfully batting his eyelashes at her and it'd still come off as a far more believable and better-acted love scene than most of what George filmed between Hayden and Natalie.