Lucas open to returning to Star Wars if given full control

[fireproof78]

Honestly, thinking back, the war and politics in Revenge Of The Sith seemed to make it more solid and cohesive in many ways than The Force Awakens (which got criticized for a almost inexplicably powerful First Order and weak, ill prepared New Republic). They're both decent films and around the mid ranking SW films for me on hindsight.

Not everything George Lucas touched past 1983 automatically turned to crap (for example Biggs Darklighter scene) but he had his time in the sun and lost something with his divorce from editor wife.

No, I think Lucas deserves a lot of credit and I think the PT was pioneering digital filmmaking in a way that is taken for granted now.

As for ROTS, the war is cohesive but the pacing is frantic. We go from the beginning to the end with no interlude and somehow are to care when the clones turn on the Jedi. Unfortunately that pacing means I know very little about these characters and so my investment is limited.

 

[Ithekro]

Lucas' largest problem was the one he admits to, he's not that good at directing people or writing natural character dialog. He knows that, and it was even clear that he knew that back in 1977. Its also known that he originally wanted some else to direct the PT, because he knew he had these limits. But he couldn't get anyone to do it, so he did it because he wanted it done.

And it got done. Are they marvels of drama?....no. Are they the worst films ever? Absolutely not. They aren't Ed Wood bad, nor Roger Corman levels of sci-fi.

 

[TedShatner10]

Or most of Bayformers for that matter.

And I think the Prequel Trilogy is arguably an easier rewatch than the often deemed as comparably flawed Matrix and Hobbit trilogies (the latter being especially padded, bloated, and aimless).

I think the Sequel Trilogy is perhaps more like the PotC trilogy (with Dead Man's Chest deemed practically a modern masterpiece nowadays, despite a heavily polarised response similar, but inverted, to The Last Jedi's way back in '06).

No, I think Lucas deserves a lot of credit and I think the PT was pioneering digital filmmaking in a way that is taken for granted now.

Trouble is, in the past decade, a lot of 90s and 00s CGI sticks out as more dated (looking either soft or jagged).

 

[crookeddy]

People like DMC now???

 

[TedShatner10]

People like DMC now???

Well, I always liked it (and arguably the best PotC film to me on hindsight) but I digress.

 

[JD]

Same here, I'm one of the few people who has actually enjoyed all of the PotC movies. Or at least up to Stranger Tides, I honestly don't remember very much of Dead Men Tell No Tales. From what little I can remember, I think it was probably my least favorite of the five.

 

[Reverend]

The PotC movies were utterly ridiculous and got increasingly bloated...but that was part of their charm. The first three at least; the 4th one was such a bore I honestly can't remember a single thing about it. Never got around to watching the 5th, but I gather I'm not missing much.

 

[fireproof78]

I loved the 5th one personally.

 

[Reverend]

I might get around to it eventually, but honestly I have a LOT more things I'm more interested to see before I get there, so probably not for a long while. Honestly until it was brought up in this thread, I had forgotten the 5th one even existed.

 

[JD]

I loved the 5th one personally.

The only thing I remember about that one is the scene where they rob the bank, if you know what I mean...

 

[Gaith]

Well, I always liked it (and arguably the best PotC film to me on hindsight) but I digress.

DMC is both the only good PotC film and an excellent adventure flick in its own right. Jack's Han Solo arc is the series' only genuinely engaging one, Orlando Bloom is kept to an effective minimum, Nighy's Davy Jones is awesome, Knightley has never been better in her blockbuster roles, and the general cinematography/production values are both lush and incredible. At World's End has some spectacular sights, too, but they weren't anywhere near as inviting, and indeed barely features any Caribbean until the throwaway last scene. Lastly, DMTNT brought back some of the impressive imagery OST totally failed at, but the rest of it certainly wasn't up to snuff.

So, yeah. DMC is the winner, by a nautical mile.

 

[Aragorn]

People like DMC now???

Walk this way!


I've always liked the first three Pirates movies.

 

[fireproof78]

I prefer the original. DMC is thoroughly unpleasant as a film in parts.

 

[Masiral]

I like all of the Pirates films. On Stranger Tides was a bit weak with the romantic subplot between the missionary and the mermaid but still a fun movie.

 

[suarezguy]

the sudden turn of "Oh, if Lucas comes back it will amazing!" is so hypocritical it makes me laugh.

I think very few fans are feeling or saying that, even most of the fans of the prequels agree they had flaws, even though they like the films on the whole, while those who didn't like them before still don't like them.

 

[fireproof78]

I think very few fans are feeling or saying that, even most of the fans of the prequels agree they had flaws, even though they like the films on the whole, while those who didn't like them before still don't like them.

That is not my experience.

 

[Qonundrum]

Lucas' largest problem was the one he admits to, he's not that good at directing people or writing natural character dialog. He knows that, and it was even clear that he knew that back in 1977. Its also known that he originally wanted some else to direct the PT, because he knew he had these limits. But he couldn't get anyone to do it, so he did it because he wanted it done.

And it got done. Are they marvels of drama?....no. Are they the worst films ever? Absolutely not. They aren't Ed Wood bad, nor Roger Corman levels of sci-fi.

Did not know that, thanks for the tidbits! It adds a whole new perspective.

But it wasn't 1987 anymore when people said "It's impossible to remake Star Trek!" (while forgetting Gene was a driving force behind that, even when getting overruled), I'm somewhat amazed nobody wanted to pump in on Star Wars. But in 1997, how many people were saying "Nobody cares about Darth's childhood."?

Had they not been made, people would wonder what might have been - followed by one zillion ideas, of which two zillion of those would be of variable quality...

Having been made, people will ask "what if they weren't" or "if only they were good!"

Either which way, imperfect or not, he made them, there are some good ideas, some people are ambivalent, some loathe, and some embrace them fully. I'm in the group called "ambivalent".

 

[TedShatner10]

OK, according to the shit stirring fandom menace and a producer, George Lucas supposedly "hates" The Last Jedi and calls it "soulless".

 

[fireproof78]

Cool. A good preview of what he would endure if he came back.

 

[Campe]

OK, according to the shit stirring fandom menace and a producer, George Lucas supposedly "hates" The Last Jedi and calls it "soulless".

Guhhh... the fandom menace.

Yeah, don't know EpicStream. Don't really believe them. At the same time, everyone, even George Lucas, is entitled to their opinion on a Star Wars movie. If he does hate TLJ, so what? At the end of the day, even if he thought it was the greatest Star Wars film out there, I don't think that would change too many people's opinions.