Lt.Kyle

[Nerys Myk]

Well I wasnt just specifically talking about Kyle. But it does matter.
Would people like it if they decided to use an Enterprise that had three or four nacelles instead of two? Or of they decided Spock needed to have spots on his ears??? I bet NO ONE answers that seriously or honestly. You know why?? Because they would show themselves as the hypocrites towards changes that they are.

Tff 78 deck thing was awful as was the movie. It was trying to use the formula of 4 but went all out Camp. Just because it was a TOS movie doesnt make it ok.

As for a TOS reboot at this point I do not care. It doesnt matter anymore. Trek stopped having a cohesive universe and making sense a long time ago. If they do a reboot ....it will be an actual REBOOT. No ties to the twisted mess that is the prime and Kelvin verses. But most of us will be dead I'm sure once that time rolls around. So it's a moot point.

There are much better scifi franchises out there that have better writing overall. Star Trek hasnt really had much of that in 17 years. It's just one big mess imo. I'm just glad I have 28 seasons of trek to enjoy that was for the most part for me very enjoyable.

SNW got many things right and others not so right.

But I dont think it is gonna knock the best Trek series off its pedestal...

Again, how do these things change the story being told? Is Kirstie Ally's face an important part of TWOK? Is Kyle's ethnic background important to any of the TOS episodes he's in? OTOH, the 78 decks do figure in the story of TFF, but they don't actually change the story being told. (Which can be told with almost any number of decks)

 

[dupersuper]

If it helps you sleep better at night, they never explicitly say this is the same Kyle from TOS.

As silly as it is, it really will.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

You know what else? They never explicitly say it's the same Spock from TOS.

 

[fireproof78]

You know what else? They never explicitly say it's the same Spock from TOS.

Does that mean Pike is not the same PIke O_O

 

[CorporalCaptain]

At least there's no death ray attached.

STERILIZE!

STE-RI-LIZE!!!

 

[Kaelef]

Transporters destroy and recreate matter, so none of the characters are ever the same from one episode to the next.

They really should rename her the USS Theseus.

 

[Noname Given]

Kyle can be explained very easily:

Chapel is there to pilot test the genetic manipulation they use to blend in.

In the last episode, I bet they'll have a reason for Kyle to join in a mission that requires him to look like a northern European male with blonde hair and a British accent BUT the change never wears off - and as a result Star Fleet CANCELS Chapel's project and sends her back to the Civilian research facility...

Simple.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

She did say, "almost every time."

 

[Attentiveluke]

1) Repeat after me: The Kyles are. Separate characters. With similar names. The Kyles are. Separate characters. With similar names.

3) When making a new adaptation that does not need to maintain strict continuity with older versions of a story, changing a character's ethnicity from white to non-white is generally (not universally, but generally) acceptable because doing so fights against the unconscious bias that many white people have that whiteness is the default setting for the human race and because it provides greater representation to marginalized communities that have often been rendered invisible in popular media in the past.

Are both Robert April’s different characters?

I don’t think anyone has a problem with more diverse characters since 340 years in the future there is unlikely to be any white humans left as they will have been deliberately bred out. Although that would also mean no sophisticated starships as there would be no white men around to invent and build them, so no starfleet...

 

[Kaelef]

Are both Robert April’s different characters?

You're making a very weak comparison. The other primary characters are well-established as their TOS counterparts by backstory, dialog, full names, etc.

An engineer working on the Enterprise many years before TOS with a single (first or last?) matching name could very well be a wink at Trek super-fans, particularly given that he was an extremely minor character. There isn't anything else presented to tell us this is in fact meant to be that character. (Though given the ridiculous reaction some people are having, I really hope that it is.)

I don’t think anyone has a problem with more diverse characters since 340 years in the future there is unlikely to be any white humans left as they will have been deliberately bred out. Although that would also mean no sophisticated starships as there would be no white men around to invent and build them, so no starfleet...

For the sake of us all, I really, really hope that's supposed to be a joke.

 

[Donald G]

Transporter chiefs surnamed Kyle, yeomen surnamed Colt, and navigators surnamed Mitchell are a dime a dozen - starship captains named Robert April are rare.

 

[Mudd]

Transporters destroy and recreate matter, so none of the characters are ever the same from one episode to the next.

They really should rename her the USS Theseus.

You knew it was coming...

 

[Mudd]

Are both Robert April’s different characters?

I don’t think anyone has a problem with more diverse characters since 340 years in the future there is unlikely to be any white humans left as they will have been deliberately bred out. Although that would also mean no sophisticated starships as there would be no white men around to invent and build them, so no starfleet...

Stop that now. You're not clever or funny or in any way right. You're just being rude.

 

[Sci]

Are both Robert April’s different characters?

Looks like the same guy to me!

Answering your question earnestly: I don't consider anything from TAS to be binding for continuity except broad details, and sometimes not then. The Bonaventure 10281NCC from "The Time Trap," for instance, is just completely incompatible with the rest of ST canon. This is the same cartoon in which people, inanimate objects, and animals were routinely painted with the wrong color. I have no problem accepting the broad outlines of Robert April's life from "The Counter-Clock Incident" while disregarding his depiction as a white guy. In my headcanon he's still married to Sarah, for instance.

I don’t think anyone has a problem with more diverse characters since 340 years in the future there is unlikely to be any white humans left as they will have been deliberately bred out. Although that would also mean no sophisticated starships as there would be no white men around to invent and build them, so no starfleet...

Ah, there is. The unvarnished white supremacy. Figured it would come out eventually. Though I see you're already banned!

 

[Roboturner913]

I could not possibly care less whether's he's Irish, Asian or an intelligent giraffe.

Do people really sit around worrying about this shit? Gee whiz

Guess what, the ship doesn't look the same either. Who fucking cares?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Some people seem to really care that some people care about this stuff. And they don't like it!

 

[Therin of Andor]

This is a character being recast. It happens all the time, especially in the stage craft world.

Voiceover: "Today, due to illness, the character of Brooke Logan-Forrester will be played by..." ["The Bold & The Beautiful".]

 

[Jedi Marso]

No matter who plays him, Kyle must be a real loser to be a lieutenant on Pike's Enterprise and then still a lieutenant on Kirk's Enterprise a decade later. A 23rd Century Harry Kim!

 

[Nerys Myk]

No matter who plays him, Kyle must be a real loser to be a lieutenant on Pike's Enterprise and then still a lieutenant on Kirk's Enterprise a decade later. A 23rd Century Harry Kim!

Seems to be a NCO.

 

[Unicron]

No matter who plays him, Kyle must be a real loser to be a lieutenant on Pike's Enterprise and then still a lieutenant on Kirk's Enterprise a decade later. A 23rd Century Harry Kim!